Showing posts with label lag baomer. Show all posts
Showing posts with label lag baomer. Show all posts

Monday, May 11, 2009

posts so far for Lag BaOmer

  1. Chai Rotel Mashkeh: Considering women to be human! In that now they also get liquid refreshment. But a bit over-the-top in describing hot coffee as five-star hotel treatment.

  2. Why celebrate that there were not any students left?? One answer is that this is a legitimate question with no answer, and so it is a folk holiday. Another, and this has some basis, is that students continued to perish, but none died on this particular day.

  3. Considering some of the segolos and minhagim associated with lag baOmer. What is their basis, and is it being interpreted correctly?

  4. Rabbenu Yerucham on Lag BaOmer.

  5. Kabbalah coopts Shevuot, besides Lag BaOmer.

  6. Is burning a pyre to Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai an idolatrous or superstition custom? As a followup, the Yerushalmi, funeral pyres, and incense.
Not on parshablog, but interesting on the web:
  1. Esser Agaroth considers whether Rashbi did not in fact pass away on lag baOmer, based on a certain article.

  2. The Muqata with a bunch of posts on that topic, and how due to communal pressure the author was compelled to retract.

  3. The Jewish Worker on the source for celebrating Lag BaOmer.

  4. And a lecture by Rabbi Dr. Shnayer Leiman on the same topic: The Strange History of Lag B'Omer.

  5. Also, follow the live blogging in Meron, at Mystical Paths.

Friday, June 13, 2008

Chai Rotel Mashkeh: Considering Women To Be Human!

Someone saved me this pamphlet from a Chai Rotel Mashke organization. These organizations provide liquid to thirsty people in Meiron on Lag BaOmer, as they visit the kever of Rashbi. Someone a while back declared it a segulah to provide 18 rottel (a liquid measure) to people at this event, and several organizations were set up on the basis of this segulah (though see here).

This particular pamphlet is quite entertaining. Click on the images in order to read them. (I now see that it is also available at their website, here.) Besides the segulah stories, this organization was describing what they did over-and-above other Chai Rottel organizations, presumably so that you would donate to them.

To quote (see image, right column):
"Lag Beomer '07 was the first time in history that women were also considered human. It was the very first time that they received cold water just like the men. Walking up the hill to the gravesite in this hot weather without any anything tocume [sic] drink absolutely endangers to be dehydrated. Therefore, R' Chaim Leib rented off some space right across 'Halpern's Hotel' and the women did not stop blessing him for this major breakthrough."

This way of over-the-top speaking is common through the pamphlet. Still, it is a very good thing that women do not dehydrate, and it is good that this organization is stepping in to fill the gap.

Why were women not "human" before '07? As far as I can make out, it is as follows: It seems that there are two paths to get to the kever. One of this is the "Mehadrin" path, for men only. And it is on this path that all the organizations typically distribute drinks.

Still, the extent of women's humanity is that they merit to receive cold water. They do not get coffee, or American coffee, since that is only distributed on the Mehadrin path. To cite (same image, left column):
"It is well known that on Lag Beomer there are thousands of foreigners visiting the gravesite, especially Americans. The majority of the Americans had a problem with the taste of the Isreali coffee which they weren't used to. So in 2007, R' Chaim Leib notified everybody that here will be American coffee available. Everybody that took route on the "Kvish Hamhadrin" (path for men only) was astonished to see their dream coming true. The Americans in particular, couldn't believe their eyes. They thought they'd visited a five star hotel. Right at the entrance there were six faucets with Boiled water, coffee, sugar, milk, hot cups and even covers!"
Wow! Even covers! If only the rating of hotels went up to six stars!

Heh. They have no hasaga of what a five-star-hotel is.

The segulah aspect of it helped as well in allowing distribution to women. See this picture:

In general, I am not so much in favor of the idea of going to Meiron for Lag BaOmer, or of all the segulah-ism that is associated with it and with chai rottel. Still, while I know nothing about the internal workings of this organization, it looks like they make use of donations to perform gemilus chassadim, which is worthy in and of itself.

Friday, May 23, 2008

Lag BaOmer: Why Celebrate That There Were Not Any Students Left?

It is a good question, and has been asked in the past. Thus, Avraham Bronstein writes:
Me: So why do we celebrate Lag BaOmer?
Student: Rabbi Akiva's students stopped dying.
Me: OK, how many students did he have?
Student: 24,000 (he was well-prepped by his morning studies)
Me: And how many died?
Student: All of them.
Me: So, think with me now, why did they 'stop dying'?
Student: Because there weren't any left....wait a second, that's not a good thing, why are we celebrating?
This leads him to the conclusion that Lag baOmer is a holiday of folk holiday.

Perhaps. Perhaps various reasons were tacked on afterwards, but it originally had to do with, e.g., Rashbi, or with the ending of pogroms, and so on.

But just because one has a question does not mean that the entire enterprise has been disproved. For example, perhaps the students of Rabbi Akiva were not the only ones dying from iskara. Who says the plague only attacked them? Though all these students died, the ending of such a massive plague could be cast as a day of great joy.

Or, we could say the following, which is why I actually wrote this post. I saw an interesting suggestion in Aruch haShulchan, which also happens to answer this question (see inside).

The gemara which talks about Rabbi Akiva's 24,000 students dying says that they died from Pesach until Shavuos. So why assume that they stopped dying at lag baOmer. Doesn't this contradict the gemara. There are answers, such as a midrash which says "until peros haAtzeret" or Tosafot's answer about subtracting the days in which aveilut is not noheg (Pesach, Shabbat, Rosh Chodesh).

But the Aruch haShulchan brings down that it did not entirely end on that day, but it paused. Thus, people died all the way until Shavuot. But on lag baOmer, nobody died. Thus, this exchange:
Me: So, think with me now, why did they 'stop dying'?
Student: Because there weren't any left....wait a second, that's not a good thing, why are we celebrating?
would not be correct, according to this interpretation.

Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Segulos Associated With Lag BaOmer

"A Talmid" lists a bunch of segulos and minhagim associated with Lag BaOmer. And sees them as positive. I personally see them as troubling, so this is a point of disagreement.

One interesting one:
Similarly, Mesechta Pesachim (51b) says one can rely on Rashbi, if you’re in front of him or if you’re not in front of him. This alludes that one can receive a yeshua on his Yom Hilula “in front of him”, praying by his tzion, or “not in front of him”, meaning, any other place you may be on Lag BaOmer. (Kol Aryeh)
That gemara actually reads:
דאמר רבה בר בר חנה סח לי רבי יוחנן בן אלעזר פעם אחת נכנסתי אחר ר"ש בן רבי יוסי בן לקוניא לגינה
ונטל ספיחי כרוב ואכל ונתן לי ואמר לי בני בפני אכול שלא בפני לא תאכל אני שראיתי את ר"ש בן יוחי שאכל כדי הוא ר' שמעון בן יוחי לסמוך עליו בפניו ושלא בפניו אתה בפני אכול שלא בפני לא תאכל
And the real meaning of that gemara:
(Rabah bar bar Chanah citing R. Yochanan ben Elazar): I once followed R. Yosi ben Lekunya to a garden; he took Sefichim (things that grow by themselves) of cabbage [in Shemitah, after Bi'ur (Rashi) or even before (Tosfos)], ate some, and gave to me - he told me that I may eat, but only in front of him;
(R. Yosi ben Lekunya) saw R. Shimon eat - he is so important that I can rely on him to eat in front of him and in his absence;
You (R. Yochanan ben Elazar, since you did not see R. Shimon) may eat only in front of me. (The contradiction is not resolved.)
And so not everyone can rely on Rabbi Shimon, but only those who personally saw him eat sefichim. To be fair, he states this is a mere allusion, a hint to what he is trying to deduce.

But still, saying this about Rashbi is potentially theologically dangerous. One receives a yeshua by relying on Rashbi anywhere in the world. To be totally unfair, shall we say that he is מלא כל הארץ כבודו? Any yeshua comes from HaKadosh Baruch Hu. Yet here, we are relying on the tzaddik to deliver, from anywhere in the world. This is not really omnipotence and omnipresence, but is begins to approach it. Praying at kivrei tzaddikim is already fraught with theological dangers, in my opinion. When one starts making such broad, sweeping claims about the powers of this deceased tzaddik, on a day in which pyres are burnt in the tzaddik's honor, it is even more troubling.

More about the pyre, also from the same blog:
There is a custom to put olive oil in the fire and to burn clothes in the fire. The Rizhiner used to send silk garments to Miron to be burnt in the bonfire. Tzadikim of Eretz Yisroel say this is a segula for success, materially and spiritually.

Meanwhile, this was sent to via Aish's spam-list. One can buy some oil to ignite the bonfire, for only $138. This is clearly not the cost of the oil, but rather the gematria of hatzlacha. If only Jews would not fall for such nonsense and superstition.

I've previously posted about the problematic aspect of these pyres. But thinking that the pyres will effect a tikkun for thousands of Jews, or in this case that there will be a magical effect to get blessing, success, and salvation is problematic.

After all, the Tosefta only says that pyres are not Darkei Emori because they are done only as a mark of honor for the deceased king. Here, if people are actually offering sacrifices to a deceased individual, thinking that in return he will grant them favors from on high, and that this will grant them material success, then it appears to me to be akin to superstition or even, chas veshalom, avodah zorah.

And to think that the Bedatz is concerned about video monitors at Meiron:
Another example is the prohibition that the Badatz placed on having video screens in Meiron on Lag Baomer. The letter from the Badatz was accompanied by a warning from the Badatz's goons that they will break any video screens that are put up in violation of the Badatz's order.
There is also the segulah of chai rotel mashka, with current websites of people trying to make money off it. I'm not going to get into it this year. Here is an old post at DovBear, though.

*Rough* Translation Of the Rabbenu Yerucham

from the earlier post.

The quote I gave was:
ומה שאין אומרי' זמן י"א לפי שאין כאן הנאה ולא שמחה כפדיון שיצא מכלל נפל וקרא חדתא וזה מורה דין ליודעין כי העומר בא מהשעורי' כמו שקבלו רז"ל מן הכתוב שאמר ואם תקריב מנחת בכורים ליי' כי על הבאת העומר הוא מדבר ואם זה אינו אלא חובה כמו אם כסף תלוה אם יהיה היובל אם מזבח אבנים
ואמרו כתיב הכא אביב וכתיב התם כי השע
ורה אביב והוא קרבן הסוטה שבאה משעורין מלשון סערת יי' ולכן אין כונסים נשים ומגדלים שפם ואף על פי שאמרו טעם אחר משום י"ב אלף זוגות תלמידים של רבי עקיבא שמתו.
ואמרו בתוספות כי מה שאמרו לג' יום אינו כמנהג העם אלא כשתסיר ז' ימי הפסח וז' שבתות וב' ימי ר"ח שהן י"ו שאין בהן אבלות נשארו מן המ"ט לג' יום וז' של"ג לעומר אמרו שיש במדרש עד פרוס עצרת והם ט"ו יום עצרת באמרם פרוס הפסח פרוס החג שהם ט"ו בניסן ובתשרי ובהסירך ט"ו נשארו לד' והם לג' שלמים ומגלחים בבקר של ל"ד כי מקצת היום ככלו ע"כ אינו מהספר

The first point is why not say a Shehechiyanu? He says that some say that here there is no benefit nor joy. Because it says
ואם תקריב מנחת בכורים ליי (in Varikra perek 2) about bringing the Omer, and thus, it is only a chovah, an obligation, which is in force situationally. He compares it to אם כסף תלוה.

He then brings down a gezeira shava of aviv-aviv. That pasuk in Vayikra 2:14 read:
וְאִם-תַּקְרִיב מִנְחַת בִּכּוּרִים, לַיהוָה--אָבִיב קָלוּי בָּאֵשׁ, גֶּרֶשׂ כַּרְמֶל, תַּקְרִיב, אֵת מִנְחַת בִּכּוּרֶיךָ.
while it says in Shemot 9:31:
לא וְהַפִּשְׁתָּה וְהַשְּׂעֹרָה, נֻכָּתָה: כִּי הַשְּׂעֹרָה אָבִיב, וְהַפִּשְׁתָּה גִּבְעֹל. 31 And the flax and the barley were smitten; for the barley was in the ear, and the flax was in bloom.
And it is the sacrifice of the Sotah which comes from barley, from the language of סַעֲרַת ה as occurs in Yirmeyahu 23:19:
יט הִנֵּה סַעֲרַת ה, חֵמָה יָצְאָה, וְסַעַר, מִתְחוֹלֵל; עַל רֹאשׁ רְשָׁעִים, יָחוּל. 19 Behold, a storm of the LORD is gone forth in fury, yea, a whirling storm; it shall whirl upon the head of the wicked.
and also in Yirmeyahu perek 30. Thus, this is not something positive.

Therefore, we do not marry women, and we grow our mustache. And even though they said another reason, because of the 12 thousand pairs of students of Rabbi Akiva who died.

And they said in Tosefot that this that they say 33 days is not like the practice of the nation. Rather, you have 49 days from Pesach until Shavuos. (As in fact in the gemara, it says all the days from Pesach until Shavuos.) But subtract the 7 days of Pesach, the 7 Shabboses, amd the 2 days of Rosh Chodesh, during which there is no mourning. Thus, 34 days are left.

Others cite a midrash that says (presumably instead of "from Pesach until Atzeres") "from Pesach until peros haAtzeres." That refers to the 15th (before Shavuot). And this a similar calculation as above. (And there is the aspect of miktzas hayom kikulo.)

Tuesday, May 20, 2008

Rabbenu Yerucham on Lag BaOmer:

ומה שאין אומרי' זמן י"א לפי שאין כאן הנאה ולא שמחה כפדיון שיצא מכלל נפל וקרא חדתא וזה מורה דין ליודעין כי העומר בא מהשעורי' כמו שקבלו רז"ל מן הכתוב שאמר ואם תקריב מנחת בכורים ליי' כי על הבאת העומר הוא מדבר ואם זה אינו אלא חובה כמו אם כסף תלוה אם יהיה היובל אם מזבח אבנים ואמרו כתיב הכא אביב וכתיב התם כי השעורה אביב והוא קרבן הסוטה שבאה משעורין מלשון סערת יי' ולכן אין כונסים נשים ומגדלים שפם ואף על פי שאמרו טעם אחר משום י"ב אלף זוגות תלמידים של רבי עקיבא שמתו. ואמרו בתוספות כי מה שאמרו לג' יום אינו כמנהג העם אלא כשתסיר ז' ימי הפסח וז' שבתות וב' ימי ר"ח שהן י"ו שאין בהן אבלות נשארו מן המ"ט לג' יום וז' של"ג לעומר אמרו שיש במדרש עד פרוס עצרת והם ט"ו יום עצרת באמרם פרוס הפסח פרוס החג שהם ט"ו בניסן ובתשרי ובהסירך ט"ו נשארו לד' והם לג' שלמים ומגלחים בבקר של ל"ד כי מקצת היום ככלו ע"כ אינו מהספר.

Pyres and Incense - The Yerushalmi

Just a quick followup to my previous post about funeral pyres. The Yerushalmi has a slightly different take:

דף ב, ב פרק א הלכה ב משנה
אילו הן אידיהן של עכו"ם קלנדס וסטרנלייא וקרטסי' ויום גינוסיא של מלכים ויום הלידה ויום המיתה דברי ר"מ וחכמים אומרים כל מיתה שיש בה שריפה יש בה ע"ז ושאין בה שריפה אין בה ע"ז:

דף ג, ב פרק א הלכה ב גמרא
יום הלידה ויום המיתה עד כאן לציבור מיכן ואילך ליחיד. וכתי' בשלום תמות ובמשרפות אבותיך הראשונים וגו'. כיני מתניתא כל מיתה שיש בה עישון ושריפה יש בהן ע"ז ושאין בה עישון ושריפה אין בה ע"ז:

"Kini masnisa" basically means to reread the Mishna as if it said something slightly different. Thus, it is as if the Mishnah had the Chachamim say that "any death which has to it incense and burning has a component of idolatry." This offered as a harmonization with the Tosefta. It is true that pyres are burned in honor of kings, and there is no superstition in that. But that is burning articles owned or used by the king. However, it is still possible to burn other things, such as incense, such that it is clear that that is not the intent of the burning. And burning incense would be just such a thing.

Aside from the setama deBavli's harmonization, we see in Bavli Avodah Zarah a development of this idea. Thus, in Bavli:
'The burning of articles at a king's [funeral] is permitted and there is nothing of Amorite usage about it,' as it is said, Thou shalt die in peace and with burnings of thy fathers, the former kings that were before thee, so shall they make a burning for thee. And just as it is permitted to burn at the [funerals] of kings so it is permitted to burn in the case of princes. What is it that may be burnt in the case of kings? — Their beds and articles that were in use by them. In the instance of the death of R. Gamaliel the elder, Onkelos the proselyte burnt after him seventy Tyrian manehs. But did you not say that only articles in use by them could be burnt? — What is meant is [articles] 'to the value of seventy Tyrian manehs.' May other things then not be burned? Yet it has been taught: It is permitted to mutilate [an animal] at royal funerals and there is nothing of Amorite usage about it! — Said R. Papa [that refers to] the horse on which he rode.
Thus, the gemara, and Rav Pappa, surely realize that there is a limit to what one can burn where it is not considered superstitious, but over that line it is Darkei Emori. This is in line with the suggestion offered by the Yerushalmi, to distinguish between the two cases.

Monday, May 19, 2008

Is Burning A Pyre to Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai An Idolatrous or Superstitious Custom?

{Note: Certainly not intended halacha lemaaseh. Rather, just something I want to explore.}

It would certainly seem potentially problematic. The practice of burning pyres for kings at their funerals turns out not to be a superstitious practice of the Emorites. In the Tosefta of Shabbos, perek 8, we read:

שורפין על המלכים ולא מדרכי האמורי שנאמר (ירמיהו לד) בשלום תמות ובמשרפות וגו' כשם ששורפין על המלכים כך שורפין על הנשיאים אבל לא על הדיוטות ומה הן שורפין עליו מטתו וכלי תשמישו מעשה שמת ר"ג הזקן ושרף עליו אונקלוס הגר יותר משבעים מנה.
Thus, in honor of kings, they made pyres where they burned things. This was a way of showing kavod, honor, and it is thus not a superstitious practice. This at the least means when Jews do it but may mean when gentiles do it as well.

This Tosefta therefore allows burning of pyres for Jewish kings, and also for the Nasi. The Nasi was the prince, the head of the Sanhedrin. The incident described in the Tosefta bears this latter point out. Rabban Gamliel the Zaken was a Nasi, and Onkelos the Convert burned more that 70 manehs worth in his honor.

However, the Tosefta notes, this is only for a king or a nasi. One should not do this for a hedyot, which in this context I would regard as a "commoner," non-royalty.

And though Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai was surely a great Tanna, he was not a Nasi. As such, burning pyres in his honor on the anniversary of his death (assuming it actually is the anniversary of his death and not a taus sofer) is perhaps misguided.

Perhaps we should simply cast hedyot as any non-prestigious person, in which case Rashbi was prestigious. What is the nature of the distinction of hedyot/non-hedyot? Does the pasuk allow and set precedent for burning pyres specifically for Jewish kings and royalty, thus encompassing the Nesiim. All Nesiim with the exclusion of Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai were descended from Hillel, and thus from Bet David. But we see a pyre was made for Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai. It could be a function of the office. Alternatively, the idea of king or nasi was that this is done for honor, as the gemara clarifies. And for a hedyot, perhaps it would not be done for honor, but rather for some superstitious purpose.

Of course, all sorts of reasons are given for the lighting of the bonfires. But surely they are being lit in honor of Rashbi's yahrtzeit. Which again, might be for a hedyot, or for a non-hedyot.

Add to that the following. To cite this site:
There is another reason. The fire represents the Jewish Neshama. (soul) It say in Proverbs, "The Soul of Man is Hashem's candle (light). The bonfire is a symbol of the igniting of the Jewish soul on this day, and its desire to come closer to Hashem.

Rebbi Yisrael of Rizhin, by way of the Rabbis of Sfas, purchased, at great expense, the right to light the main bonfire in Meron on Lag B'Omer for all time. It has passed on to his descendants even today as an inheritance.

Once when his grandson, the Sadigorer Rebbi was asked about this phenomenon, he answered, "Tens of thousands of souls have been healed because of this bonfire which is lit in the honor of the Holy Rebbi Shimon Bar Yochai!!"

It is one thing to do something in honor of someone, even if not a king or prince. But when you think that this fire has mystical properties (as can develop when talking about festivals attended by thousands of people for a kabbalistic personality), we might be wandering into dangerous territory. On the other hand, it could be that the festival somehow brings people closer to Hashem. I am not entirely sure how to interpret this statement. How have tens of thousands of souls been healed by the bonfire? Is this in a mystical sense?

It is also important to note that according to the setama digmara's interpretation and harmonization of the Mishna with the Tosefta (see my full citation of the Mishna and Gemara below in order to understand the following comments), it might well be that everyone agrees that burning pyres is not a superstitious custom, but rather that it is a mark of honor, and Rabbi Meir and the Sages argue whether idolatry happens at such events, if there is, and if there is not, such a pyre.

What follows is the Mishna and Gemara in Avodah Zarah about pyres for kings. There is the Mishna, from daf 8a:

THESE ARE THE FESTIVITIES OF THE IDOLATERS: KALENDA, SATURNALIA, KRATESIS, THE ANNIVERSARY OF ACCESSION TO THE THRONE AS WELL AS [ROYAL] BIRTHDAYS AND ANNIVERSARIES OF DEATHS. THIS IS R. MEIR'S OPINION. BUT THE SAGES SAY, A DEATH AT WHICH BURNING [OF ARTICLES OF THE DEAD] TAKES PLACE IS ATTENDED BY IDOLATRY, BUT WHERE THERE IS NOT SUCH BURNING THERE IS NO IDOLATRY. HOWEVER, THE DAY OF SHAVING ONES BEARD OR LOCK OF HAIR, OR THE DAY OF LANDING AFTER A SEA VOYAGE, OR THE DAY OF RELEASE FROM PRISON, OR IF AN IDOLATER HOLDS A BANQUET FOR HIS SON — THE PROHIBITION ONLY APPLIES TO THAT DAY AND THAT PARTICULAR PERSON.
And then the gemara, on Avodah Zara 11a:

THE BIRTHDAY AND ANNIVERSARIES OF KINGS DEATHS. [THIS IS R. MEIR'S OPINION. THE SAGES SAY IDOLATRY ONLY OCCURS AT A DEATH AT WHICH BURNING OF ARTICLES TAKES PLACE.] This implies that R. Meir is of opinion that at every death, whether there is burning of articles or there is no burning, idol-worship takes place — consequently, the burning of articles is not an [idolatrous] cult. From which is to be inferred that the Rabbis hold that burning [of articles at a funeral] is an [idolatrous] cult; what then of the following which has been taught: The burning of articles at a king's [funeral] is permitted and there is nothing of Amorite usage about it? Now if it is a cult of idolatry how could such burning be allowed? Is it not written, and in their statutes ye shall not walk? — Hence, all agree that burning is not an idolatrous cult and is merely a mark of high esteem [for the deceased]; where they differ is this: R. Meir holds that at every death, whether burning of articles takes place or does not take place. there is idol-worship; but the Rabbis hold that a death at which burning takes place is regarded as important and is marked by idol-worship, but one at which no burning takes place is unimportant and is not marked by idol-worship.

[To return to] the main text. 'The burning of articles at a king's [funeral] is permitted and there is nothing of Amorite usage about it,' as it is said, Thou shalt die in peace and with burnings of thy fathers, the former kings that were before thee, so shall they make a burning for thee. And just as it is permitted to burn at the [funerals] of kings so it is permitted to burn in the case of princes. What is it that may be burnt in the case of kings? — Their beds and articles that were in use by them. In the instance of the death of R. Gamaliel the elder, Onkelos the proselyte burnt after him seventy Tyrian manehs. But did you not say that only articles in use by them could be burnt?— What is meant is [articles] 'to the value of seventy Tyrian manehs.'

I am not sure that I agree with this harmonization, and would rather suggest that the Chachamim disagree with the Tosefta. Or rather that they would agree when done for gentile kings by gentiles, it is indeed an idolatrous cult and so it is a festival in that sense which is relevant to those halachos being discussed in Avodah Zarah. But whether Jews can burn pyres for their own kings -- since there is Scriptural basis for the practice for Jewish kings, it is done in honor of the Jewish kings, has precedent, and is not Darkei Emori. Thus, I would suggest the harmonization is misguided.

At the very least, I would point out that the Tosefta explicitly says that one should not burn such pyres for a hedyot, a commoner. And such is made clear in the gemara as well, when it cites that one may do so for a Nasi. This surely reads at odds with the harmonization which has the pyres always being only for honor. Except we can say that what all are in agreement to, according to the gemara, is that for kings it is only a mark of honor, rather than this being the case in general. But in other situations, indeed pyres may be superstitious.

Another point. Are we conflating pyres made at the time of death with pyres made on the anniversary of the death? The Tosefta appears to be talking about the king's funeral. Thus Onkelos burned 70 maneh worth at Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai's funeral, and the articles the king used are burned at the funeral.

In contrast, the Mishna refers to Yom HaLeida and Yom haMisa, which are anniversaries of the king's birth and death. This is a recurring, year to year, occurrence. Perhaps pyres in such a situation are indeed problematic for perhaps they can be cast as worship of the king, but at the actual funeral, burning the king's possessions so that no-one else can benefit from them, in honor of him, or expressing sadness in this way, is simply honor.

At any rate, these were just my musings, but not intended halacha lemaaseh in any way.

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