Monday, May 25, 2009

You call this an apocalypse?!

So Rosh Chodesh Sivan came and went, and the Tzaddik Nistar was shown to be wrong. To recap, he told Nava the following:
Tzaddik Nistar Message to American Jews
July 28, 2008

"American Jews in the Diaspora should begin preparing returning to Eretz Israel - the latest possible date to return to Israel is Rosh Chodesh Sivan, 5769 (May 24, 2009). Those that will not return by that date, will 'miss the boat'"
Now that this day, May 24, 2009, has come and gone, what of it? Was he lying? Was he delusional? Well, this is how Nava has chosen to interpret it, a few hours before Rosh Chodesh Sivan passed:

Countdown Ticking!

Today the deadline Rosh Chodesh Sivan approaches. Those that made it safely to Eretz Israel, count your blessings!!! Israel will be the safest haven when it hits...

It's now a matter of weeks, days, hours, seconds... it could happen as soon as tonight or next week tomorrow morning without a second's notice.

Get out if you can NOW wherever you are in the world ~~~~~~

The deadline quickly approaches and the countdown is ticking.

This is NOT a false alarm!!!!!!!
וקודשא בריך הוא יתער עלייהו אשא וברדא ואבני אלגביש
The clock is no longer ticking. So there is no more warning, seems to be the message. This going, of course, against the autistics who purportedly say that no one knows when it will come, and Rosh Chodesh Sivan is not it, but there will be warning before it comes.

So what happens now? Let us say tomorrow someone travels to Eretz Yisrael? He will have disproved the statement that anyone who has not already arrived has missed the boat.

Here are some flights. From Delta:
Travel
Time
Flights & Cabin (Class)
5:55pm
LGA
5:25pm
TLV

Arrives 26 May
1-stop
Atlanta
(1 hr 57 min layover)
16 hr 30 min
Segment Base Fare
$2,781.10
Trip Type
full trip

+
Taxes
$14.00
Taxes/Fees =
Full Fare
$2,795.10
From El Al:

OutBound: New York-Tel Aviv Yafo

Mon, May 25

Flexible Economy
dep: 02:05 New York (JFK)
arr: 19:50 Tel Aviv Yafo (TLV)
  • El Al Israel Airlines (LY)

$1,355.10
Let us see if all these flights somehow do not take off, and nobody can get to Israel. If they can, then this is a quick disproof to the Tzadik Nistar.

Meanwhile, attached to her recent post, Nava fleshes out the apocalyptic scenario by including a YouTube video of a crazy woman telling over her apocalyptic dream. To cite the summary of a commenter on that video:
She dreamed about fire shooting out of heaven and people running everywhere (just as is shown in that video). Very loud noises. It all happened very fast. Lots of smoke coming up from the earth. She couldn't comprehend what was happening. There were some people who were crouched down and not looking up who were not hit by the debris. Suddenly there was very quiet among all the noise and destruction. She saw white people landing upon the large white stones that came down from the sky. They came to explain by telepathy what took place. They said that she and those others are the only one's who survived. (The fellow at the end was a little cut off but he began to say that her dream related to the war of "gog and magog".) Shalom, may the Lord have mercy on us and the world. Shalom to your soul.
(You can learn more about this baalas teshuva, Saada, on this video.) This false prophecy is not without repercussion. Nava herself was persuaded by this crazy Tzaddik Nistar, and moved to Israel. I hope it all works out well for her there, but that is a major life change with all sorts of possible negative repercussions, on the say-so of this one person, who was in error!

I have seen on the web (link taken down by request) someone who was similarly persuaded a while back, and now regrets it:
I am going to dedicate exactly one post to this subject and no more as my feelings are very strong about this as these messages have had a direct and tangible effect on my life (basically, one of my former Rabbis in Israel told me that I would be dead in 5 years if I didn’t make aliyah immediately).
This is perhaps something to think about before you go rushing off shouting to others that the sky is falling, or before you assume that there is no harm in this expression of emunah.

Update: See how Nava tries to rationalize. I'll comment on how and why this is silly a bit later.

3 comments:

Zvika said...

I'm the guy who wrote this:

"I am going to dedicate exactly one post to this subject and no more as my feelings are very strong about this as these messages have had a direct and tangible effect on my life (basically, one of my former Rabbis in Israel told me that I would be dead in 5 years if I didn’t make aliyah immediately)."

I'd appreciate it if you took that link down to my blog. The story is much more complicated than I care to elaborate on at this point in time. One day I'll actually elaborate on what exactly happened, once my temper has cooled over the situation.

BTW, thank you for taking a stand against this madness.

joshwaxman said...

sure, no problem. i can also remove the quote if you want, besides just the link. let me know what you want.

kol tuv,
josh

Zvika said...

Thanks a lot. You can leave the quote if you'd like to. I've put up the whole story on my blog.

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