Tuesday, January 06, 2009

When the Fast of Tevet ends today, in Kew Gardens Hills

Based on the Etz Chaim bulletin, the fast today ends at 5:08 PM. {Update: But see the questions on this time in the comment section.
Meanwhile, Ahavas Yisrael of Kew Gardens Hills (across the street) has:
(Taanis begins 6:07 am and ends 5:26 pm)
Perhaps there was an error in the Etz Chaim bulletin. I sent an email asking for clarification.

I have an ongoing series (starting here), which is not halacha lemaaseh, about when one is obligated to fast, when one is prohibited to fast, and when one is permitted to fast as a reshut. This is based on whether there is "shalom" and whether there is "gezeirat hamalchut." I would claim that according to Rashi, even now would be considered "Shalom," since it means not peace but Jewish sovereignty, such that perhaps it would be forbidden to fast. But there are other Rishonim who might define it otherwise. For example, while Ramban first appears to define "shalom" as "such as at the time of the Mikdash," his conditions for reshut is that there is no tzara anywhere in the world for Jews. And as such, this present situation in Eretz Yisrael would certainly qualify as yesh tzara. (See the post where I argue on Ramban in general, though.) Note: Again, none of this series is intended as advice halacha lemaaseh.

Meanwhile, see at Lion of Zion how Hamodiah calls for fasting today for the Gaza war.


Unknown said...

5:08? Not 5:29?

joshwaxman said...

that's what it said on the bulletin. what is your source?

meanwhile, Chabad has the following for 11367:

Shkiah (sunset)
4:43 pm

Fast Ends
5:13 pm

Tzeit Hakochovim (nightfall)
5:19 pm

In the about section, Chabad says:
Fast End:
"There are differing opinions when Tzeit Hakochavim takes place. Out of consideration for people's comfort, and considering that the fast days are rabbinic decree, not Torah law, we rely on a slightly earlier opinion concerning the end of day fasts (aside for Yom Kippur)."

Sunset 16:43
Tzait Hakochavim 17:25 (Fixed 42 Minutes)
17:55 (Fixed 72 Minutes)

Tzais will be at 28 instead of 25 this coming Friday.

I don't know how the Etz Chaim bulletin calculated it, or if they made a typo. (Though I would expect that they would double-check this.)


Unknown said...

Both a friend and MyZmanim - 5:25 for the 42 minutes, 5:29 according to R' Moshe if one can. (Though really 5:21 would be the official end.)


R' Tukaccinsky
# The fast ends no later than the
emergence of ג' כוכבים בינונים at -
5:17 PM

R' Moshe Feinstein
# One who finds fasting difficult may eat at -
5:21 PM
# One who does not find fasting difficult
should wait until the time for מוצאי שבת at -
5:29 PM

Anonymous said...

Is there anyone who thinks that 42 minutes is not a chumra- and should be left for shabbos?

We're not even choshesh for 42 minutes when it comes to Kriyat Shma!

joshwaxman said...

Indeed, the answer may lie there. See the discussion here:



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