Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Are There Credible News Reports That Bush Will Cancel US Elections Because of the Economy?

False prophetess Nava, at Dreaming of Moshiach, is getting desperate. Previously, she announced that George Bush was Gog, that Mashiach would come in 5768, and finally that the US elections would be canceled, based on a Zohar, or rather, her krum reading of the Zohar. As I said earlier, as November passes and nothing comes to be, she will have egg on her face, except for the fact that believers tend to overlook this kind of thing and will forget her embarrassing predictions, or interpret them such that they have been fulfilled. In a recent post, she expressed surprise that mashiach had not yet arrived. But then posted a guest post based on gematrias that 5769 would be the time for mashiach. The recent Wall Street financial woes gave her back hope, and some have mistakenly interpreted the failure of some investment banks as a fulfillment of Nava's "prophecy" of the failure of all commercial banks. And now, she seeks to rebolster her claim that Bush is Gog, and will cancel the US elections:
Zohar HaKadosh: President Bush/President Gog
"...The Zohar HaKadosh says President Bush will come to Yerushalayim (as President) the first time, for a 3-day visit and will leave healthy and whole. Within short time, he'll return to Israel a second time also as President Bush and during this time, judgment on the world will be tough.In total, President Gog Bush will visit Israel 3 times.

But between his second and third visit, something will occur that will cause the USA elections to be cancelled and President Bush will remain the president."

Current Events:
The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’.

For more click here or google it.
The problem will this is that she does not know how to check out sources of information to make sure it is reliable. Either because of desperation or hope, or because she does not know in general how to make sure information is coming from a reliable source, which is why she lives in a delusional world, and previously posted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Rothschild and the Illuminati, not realizing it was crazy and anti-Semitic, just because it supported her own delusions.

We will have to wait and see if the November elections are canceled indefinitely by Bush, but the source in this case is "Sorcha Faal," who has written for Pravda in the past. Sorcha Faal is an Internet hoax queen, according to this website, Above Top Secret. (And the following is also from the same website.) Here are some hoaxes Sorcha Faal has been behind:
US President Orders Military To Begin Jailing All Civilian Protestors To War

Putin Orders Russian Military Forces To Attack US Forces During Iran Invasion????

Russia, China Order Forces To Highest Alert As US Forces Mass On Iranian Border

Pravda: Imus Fired After He Threatened to Reveal 9/11 secrets

Massive ULF 'Blast' Detected In US Bridge Collapse Catastrophe

US 'Shoot on Site' Order Issued For Escaping Americans

Australia To Imprison All Muslims In Concentration Camps

American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru

‘Ship of Giants’ Said Attacked By Israel in Strike on Syria
Sorcha Faal is apparently the pseudonym of David Booth, an American computer programmer, who uses these hoaxes to solicit money and to promote his book.


גילוי said...

Nava's Zohar source isn't the Zohar. It's the Ramchal's Tikkunim Chadashim.


I fail to see her reading in the text.

joshwaxman said...

Wow. Thanks.
I would agree with your statement that it is quite a stretch. If it really is from Ramchal, then I would guess the conflation of Zohar with this work is because of the title -- an understandable error.

Kol Tuv,

גילוי said...

In my humble opinion, the Ramchal is bringing detail to the mesorah that Gog uMagog is a 3-part war.

You can see all the posts I have on the subject here:


devorah said...

Sorcha Faal's writings are often off-the-wall, but just recently he/she has been writing things that are credible.
What are you going to write when (1) the banks are bankrupt... and (2) when Bush does attempt to delay the elections?
both of the above are more than likely if you read the news.
Wait and see!

Nava does not claim to be a neviah, she writes a blog, that's all. The choice to believe or not is the readers. No need to be nasty about it, she's been right in the past.
As I say, let's see.

joshwaxman said...

We will have to wait and see.

I am trying to be clear, and by being "nasty" now, perhaps later, if and when these things do not come to pass, some people will see clearly.

Nava has dreams which she believes are prophetic. She writes, for example, "11 Cheshvan, (Tuesday, October 23, 2007) Shamayim told me to quickly begin withdrawing the donation money that was collected for Devorah HaNevia, a'h, from the bank because very soon, all banks will be bankrupt.

I was shown what will happen when the banks will go bankrupt"

Shamayim told me?? And this is not a prophecy?

Kol Tuv,

devorah said...

But the banks are going bankrupt. People cannot get their money out. A run on the banks is expected this week.....
Her dream has come true within a year.
I have also had dreams that predict the future, several in fact. once you have one of these dreams, and it happens, you can then identify future dreams in the same manner. They are very different from the normal kind of "meshugena" dream that most of have all the time.
Many people today have prophetic dreams. Before Moshiach, prophecy will return to children and the simple people - simple can mean "simple with G-d" i.e. believing, having faith etc.

A day is a long time in the US financial market, anything can happen, and it all seems to be happening now, during 5768, and who knows, Moshiach could turn up any time IY"H.

joshwaxman said...

"But the banks are going bankrupt. People cannot get their money out. A run on the banks is expected this week"

The *investment* banks are going bankrupt, not the commercial banks at this stage. See my earlier post on this topic: "Now Do I Believe? Nope!"

It is a homonym.

If I wanted to, I could pull out all my money from my bank account today, with no problems whatsoever. Nava predicted that all *commercial* banks would go bankrupt, with everyone trying to get their money out, and no one able to extract a penny. That scenario has not surfaced as of yet. And hopefully it will not.

We will see if there will indeed be a run on the commercial banks.

Kol Tuv,

devorah said...

MOSCOW, Russia - September 19, 2008 - The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be indefinitely suspended.

These reports state that the Governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, had expressed his ‘shock and outrage’ to his American counterparts at the U.S. Federal Reserve after the catastrophic collapse of one of the largest financial banks in the World, Lehman Brothers, and which caused both the Bank of England and the European Central Bank to rush $42 billion into the European economy yesterday to keep it from collapsing, and their own banks from running out of money, necessitating the response from the U.S. Central Bank leader Ben S. Bernanke.

As Prime Minister Putin had previously warned, the horrific hurricane storm that has devastated the State of Texas, and where a humanitarian crisis is presently unfolding, has, indeed, proved to be the proverbial ‘straw that broke the camel’s back’, as the catastrophic damage from this storm raced beyond the Gulf of Mexico coast and ravaged the heartland of America to such an extent that the Governors of Ohio and Kentucky have declared states of emergency as millions have been left without power.

The significance of this historic storm damage to the American economy, these reports say, led to the unprecedented pressures put upon the world’s largest insurance company American International Group (AIG) and its halt in negotiations, during a rare Sunday meeting in New York, to support the near bankrupt Lehman Brothers on Sunday, but which was then allowed to collapse and is now threatening to also destroy AIG itself.

Not being explained to the American people is that AIG, the world’s largest player in the $45 trillion derivatives market, during the past two weeks had bet heavily on the world markets against the damage from Hurricane Ike exceeding $2 billion in property damage, lost oil and gasoline production, lost wages and payments to companies forced to close, etc., that it is obligated to pay, but which the actual damages are now being estimated will exceed $1 trillion as the damages throughout the United States are finally tallied.

Such a calamitous action by AIG has basically shattered the western economic system, as reported by The Australian Business News Service in their article entitled, “Global banks brace for derivative blow-up,” which says:

”So here we are on the morning of D-Day. The world's major counterparties on the $US455 trillion derivatives market go into technical default and no one is sure what is going to happen.”

Lehman Bros yesterday formally petitioned the State Bankruptcy Court of the Southern District Court of New York for Chapter 11 protection.

Lehman would also have filed what are called "first day motions", which allow the bank to pay salaries and wages, while it continues to market its non-toxic, broker-dealer operations and work out what on earth to do with its highly toxic $US53 billion residential and commercial mortgage portfolio.

But as scary and Spartan as it might sound, failure is as essential to the workings of an effective marketplace as is success.

Which means only that, given that this shattered, battle-weary investment bank is unable to find itself a new owner or think its own way through the current calamitous circumstances, then one of the legendary brands of Wall Street should be left to fail.

In a weekend of unprecedented drama, the Fed seems to have been forced to play Solomon and choose between Merrill Lynch and Lehman. Both were facing mortal threat. But it seems only one could survive intact.”

Even worse for the American people during this unprecedented crisis is that one of their top economic experts, Wilbur Ross, chairman and CEO of WL Ross & Co, is now warning that over 1,000 U.S. banks are nearing collapse, and one of their top economists, Nouriel Roubini, of NYU's Stern School and RGE Monitor, is further warning that “there is already a ‘slow-motion run on retail banks’ occurring nationwide.”

Russian military analysts commenting on these reports state that though it is unlikely that the American president can suspend U.S. elections solely on the basis of an economic emergency alone, it is entirely probable that he could do so should their nation suffer another 9/11-type attack, and which they ‘cryptically’ observe could happen as early as September 22, 2008, as American military forces begin to conduct worldwide tests of their new nuclear alert system while they conduct another test of their so-called Star Wars Missile Defense System.

It should be further noted that as their once great nation continues sliding towards the abyss of total ruin, the American people still refuse to acknowledge the substance of the many warnings being issued to them from all corners of the world, as if even with eyes and ears they do not see and do not hear anything other than what they are programmed for by their masters.

How sad for these people, how much sadder for the rest of us that these people are now all but lost.
[link to www.freedomradio.us]

joshwaxman said...

Yes, freedomradio.us is reporting that, but they got this exact text, in its entirety, from Sorcha Faal.

See here:

So the fact that some other website is carrying Sorcha Faal's exact story, word for word, though with attribution stripped, is proof of what exactly?

Kol Tuv,

yaak said...

Nava removed the link to freedomradio, per my request. It had another headline that mentioned "fascist Israel".

devorah said...

Bank run in Hong Kong


joshwaxman said...

yes, a bank run, but *because* of rumors such as the ones Nava is spreading. The bank institution says it is *FINE* -- it did not declare bankruptcy, and is still in business. And all the customers were able to withdraw their money.

Surely this is a not a fulfillment of Nava's prophecy, in which *ALL* commercial banks would declare actual bankruptcy, prompting customers to line up outside of banks and be *UNABLE* to extract even a penny?

I am sure you see the difference.

Kol Tuv,


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