tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post8217201140191315314..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Hebrew etymologies for English words?joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-46821293278618530772017-01-15T11:05:18.287-05:002017-01-15T11:05:18.287-05:00I answered this already in the main body of the po...I answered this already in the main body of the post, but perhaps you missed it.<br /><br />The author's conjecture is indeed more far-fetched, because while you try to say that there is a match based on both sound and meaning, that is not so. NOWADAYS the sound and the meaning match the Hebrew. But BACK THEN, the sound and/or the meaning did not match.<br /><br />Unless you address this actual point, accusations and insults about cognitive dissonance of having a lame brain seem weak.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-56569296199963009842017-01-10T00:15:51.280-05:002017-01-10T00:15:51.280-05:00You asserted:
"Rather, due to the shifts in m...You asserted:<br />"Rather, due to the shifts in meaning and form, by mere accident, two words in parallel languages might readily form a false cognate."<br /><br />That's more far-fetched than the author's conjecture based on both sound, as well as meaning of the word, as, for example, to appease -- לפייס, or to Furnish, and yes, maybe too the "suit".<br /><br />There's no such thing as "by mere accident", certainly not as a general rule!<br /><br />You attacked the author on 3 words, but hardly dislodged his idea that SOME English words have their root in Hebrew. As for the Hebrew language having been thrown into confusion, doesn't mean every words now meant something else, like one commenter pundits. You suffer from cognitive dissonance, but not because that author was so wrong, but rather your lame-brained counter findings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-78355572467339446662014-03-26T23:08:26.628-04:002014-03-26T23:08:26.628-04:00indeed, and we discussed this very point a bit mor...indeed, and we discussed this very point a bit more than a year ago, in this very comment section. (Feb 19, 2013)<br />:)<br /><br />probably you also were looking on a smartphone. your actual narrative is in an indented blockquote.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />josh<br />joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-68404904281568508672014-03-26T13:41:27.079-04:002014-03-26T13:41:27.079-04:00My mistake - I see you DID, in fact, provide the l...My mistake - I see you DID, in fact, provide the link.in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-22330515196377895442014-03-26T13:39:28.337-04:002014-03-26T13:39:28.337-04:00I must say I find it reprehensible that you can ta...I must say I find it reprehensible that you can take something I created, for my own blog, and use it by incorporating it into your post on your own blog, without at least providing me with the courtesy of attribution.<br /><br />Would it have been too hard on you to say where you got the chart (that I created) and provide the link to my blog, Hezbos.blogspot dot com.<br /><br />To add insult to injury, you do not even have me among your list of feeds. You can rectify my resentment by adding my blog to that list, and by delineating my actual narrative from the prose you added to it.in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-80471469399029697202013-02-21T21:45:51.881-05:002013-02-21T21:45:51.881-05:00I could write a long comment explaining why you ar...I could write a long comment explaining why you are wrong, but what is the point? There is zero chance you would understand and accept it.<br /><br />have a happy purim,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-53314317716879497982013-02-21T21:33:01.163-05:002013-02-21T21:33:01.163-05:00Josh - using a DICTIONARY that goes back to Latin ...Josh - using a DICTIONARY that goes back to Latin is not good enough to decide that Rabbi Ginsburgh's conclusion is "unlikely". Just say, if you want to, "I trust the Webster's rabbis more than that Rabbi". You printed everything I never wanted to print becaus eI felt my source had deeper sources than the goyim (I know what you'll say - goyim are smart - so believe THEM).<br /><br />Then there's MikeS who says Pardes isn't Hebrew. Go tell King Solomon that crap. See my source for the word. But he too has a "command" of Biblical etymology.<br /><br />Then another pundit of your readership says Lev is heart - not love. I wish I could draw for him a love heart. Another splitter of hairs he is. As if languages extend to others by exact meanings without any nuances allowed. If he ever heard Mexican music, every song they play has the affectionate "mi corazon" - which literally means "my heart" but really means "my love".<br /><br />Which is why two words that turn to one also is no disqualification, except to one who wants to forcefully prove his case.<br /><br />As for Mighty Ironheart's comment, on "completely confused" (where did he get that COMPLETELY from anyhow), Rashi's example was he asked for X and was given Y. But at least they got the delivery part of the request correct. The guy could have come over and kissed him instead.<br /><br />Maybe one or two of my list, maybe, I'm wrong about, but not because I see here, by you, any disproof. I just figured this to be the case as I study Torah. You too, only nitpick one or two of my list, and only by assumption, just as I too assumed - for proof is hardly available. So I ask you, why project a certainty, why the highfalutin "false cognate" stuff. <br /><br />Another thing. Rashi tells us Adam spoke Hebrew. Chances are his wife and children spoke it. They'd have no reason to changes languages. Then, in a generation not too far away, in the Tower story, the Torah says they ALL spoke ONE language. Why in the world not assume that Hebrew was therefore the pervasive language?<br /><br />As to the mixing up of languages, that means, suddenly, people began understanding only some others but not all others. In this way Hashem segmented them. This miracle - we can safely presume - based on other ways Hashem projects from all aspects of creation, that it all still maintains ties to Torah - "the blueprint of the universe".<br /><br />Purim sameach you all!in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-10355108272622605092013-02-21T11:23:53.462-05:002013-02-21T11:23:53.462-05:00In Dutch we find an uncanny amount of words (perha...In Dutch we find an uncanny amount of words (perhaps not always commonly used) that sounds like hebrewish words. Interesting.Pragmaticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08724757238921859366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-88409987034918589142013-02-19T20:13:06.244-05:002013-02-19T20:13:06.244-05:00The link was there, but you just missed it. It is ...The link was there, but you just missed it. It is on the words "Hebrew and English words".<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-71065642642088820682013-02-19T18:13:13.776-05:002013-02-19T18:13:13.776-05:00The very least, you could have done, Josh, is prov...The very least, you could have done, Josh, is provide a link to my article. You can take issue with me, but why not do it in gentlemanly fashion?in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-42024335205852935142013-01-25T12:49:30.163-05:002013-01-25T12:49:30.163-05:00Steg (dos iz nit der šteg),
As a BT who majored i...Steg (dos iz nit der šteg),<br /><br />As a BT who majored in Linguistics, the "etymologies" also drive me crazy.Yochanannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-11548055831164805992013-01-24T10:03:29.492-05:002013-01-24T10:03:29.492-05:00But the "paradise" and "pardes"...But the "paradise" and "pardes" are really etymologically related, even though the source is not Hebrew. It gets to both English and Hebrew from Persian. Mike S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-53883364726353422512013-01-23T06:34:30.501-05:002013-01-23T06:34:30.501-05:00anon:
i think they know that, but were connecting...anon:<br /><br />i think they know that, but were connecting heart and love, because of the cultural belief that the heart is the seat of emotion. (rather than the common theme in Chazal that the heart is the seat of the intellect.)<br /><br />there is no way of disproving this false cognate merely via the changed form of the word, since the form is somewhat similar even going back: <i>Old English lufu "love, affection, friendliness," from P.Gmc. *lubo (cf. Old High German liubi "joy," German Liebe "love;" Old Norse, Old Frisian, Dutch lof; German Lob "praise;" Old Saxon liof, Old Frisian liaf, Dutch lief, Old High German liob, German lieb, Gothic liufs "dear, beloved").</i><br /><br />i agree that it is a false cognate, but wasn't going to **prove** it here.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-69092434329606168182013-01-23T04:35:37.846-05:002013-01-23T04:35:37.846-05:00You left out the obvious that "lev" mean...You left out the obvious that "lev" means "heart", not "love"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-50615053357570491492013-01-22T21:58:31.982-05:002013-01-22T21:58:31.982-05:00As a linguist and an educator, nonsense "etym...As a linguist and an educator, nonsense "etymologies" like these drive me crazy. Interestingly enough, it also works in the opposite direction -- I had an Ulpan teacher in Israel tell us that the Hebrew verb לפייס, to appease, was actually a borrowing from English "peace"! I knew that didn't sound right, but it only hit me the next time I said Taḥanun מתרצה ברחמים ומתפייס בתחנונים that I had proof right in front of me that the Hebrew verb completely antedated the entire English language.Steg (dos iz nit der šteg)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-65001752247351484872013-01-21T10:03:57.745-05:002013-01-21T10:03:57.745-05:00And the counter argument to that is the Semitic fa...And the counter argument to that is the Semitic family of languages, and its many cognates.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-3427323194112100942013-01-21T08:28:25.617-05:002013-01-21T08:28:25.617-05:00There's a more obvious counterargument. The T...There's a more obvious counterargument. The Torah says God completely confused their languages. That means no common ancestor language using standard entymology techniques. Saying that Hebrew roots survived into modern English would go against this.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com