tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post6700345901915418277..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Hashgacha Pratis? The Volcano Liver-Transplant Recipientjoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-71554103360665103012010-05-05T09:46:03.558-04:002010-05-05T09:46:03.558-04:00The story is not true.
There was such a young man...The story is not true.<br /><br />There was such a young man, and his life was saved in Belgium, but it was way before the volcano occurred, and had less to do with miracles and more to do with intervention by the Charedi Health Minister, who used the power, political influence, and finances of the State of Israel to arrange that the young man receive a transplant.<br /><br />He was unilaterally moved to the head of the list and these extraordinary measures were taken for him because it suited the political interests of the Health Minister.<br /><br />The boy is from an EXTREMELY influential family in the yeshiva world (begins with a samech and ends with a kuf, four syllables) that is known for their disdain for the medinah.<br /><br />He received the liver way before the volcano hit, through a special deal with the Israeli gov't, whose taxpayers paid for the whole thing.<br /><br />We have not heard a word of hakoros hatov to the gov't for having done this for them.<br /><br />I guess when it's all Min HaShomayim, one does not have to have Hakoros Hatov to anyone anymore, especially the medina and its taxpayers.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03755099704849976838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-56025515947852338212010-05-04T17:57:28.952-04:002010-05-04T17:57:28.952-04:00I don't know the technical difference to be pe...I don't know the technical difference to be perfectly honest, but on a very simplistic level, I think we can only *really* say Hashgacha Pratis when it happens in our own lives, where we know all the sub-plots. <br /><br />Otherwise you are inevitably left with the dilemma you presented of one man who benefited vs many who did not.<br /><br />Adding you to my blogroll. Check out mine!Nosson Gestetnerhttp://gtorah.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-90554573631049865612010-05-04T13:01:34.994-04:002010-05-04T13:01:34.994-04:00i don't know that i agree with this assessment...i don't know that i agree with this assessment myself, but anyway...<br /><br />"Everything is Divine Providence"<br />is one way of viewing it. but then everything is Hashgacha Pratis, and there is no such thing as hashgacha klalis. This is fine according to the Baal Shem Tov (and the Muslim philosophers contemporary to Rambam), but not according various Rishonim.<br /><br /><b>If</b> there *is* indeed such a thing as Hashgacha Klalis, what test would you apply to distinguish the two?<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-90938459788232094712010-05-04T12:52:58.406-04:002010-05-04T12:52:58.406-04:00Everything is Divine Providence, including the fac...Everything is Divine Providence, including the fact that one guy came out on top, and several didn't as a result. The fact remains that whatever transpired, and the way in which it did, was Ratzon Hashem - so really it was Hashgacha Pratis, including those who suffered or lost out.<br /><br />"it just wasn't meant to be."Nosson Gestetnerhttp://gtorah.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-60282779329104653932010-05-03T16:04:28.635-04:002010-05-03T16:04:28.635-04:00I started off wanting to argue with you, but ultim...I started off wanting to argue with you, but ultimately I think you're right.Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.com