tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post3604557225971813202..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: In answer to a ponderous parasha pointjoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-38175277741095785902010-12-12T20:49:55.598-05:002010-12-12T20:49:55.598-05:00did you really think i meant that last part seriou...did you really think i meant that last part seriously? the background for that is "yeshiva guy says over a vort".<br /><br />it never occurred to me that you were responding to that tangential point, said in jest. i guess i have to be more careful to label jokes as jokes...<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-77951028133403895452010-12-12T20:35:58.772-05:002010-12-12T20:35:58.772-05:00Could you please clarify?what's the diffrence ...Could you please clarify?what's the diffrence if yehudah was caught or not?I was adressing your point of m'dar sheker tirchak.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-8194803210206007442010-12-12T06:55:34.915-05:002010-12-12T06:55:34.915-05:00i agree that they are all clear answers. see also ...i agree that they are all clear answers. see also the post i linked to for another answer, in the comment section...<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-14505236740358750042010-12-12T05:46:25.374-05:002010-12-12T05:46:25.374-05:00I think the point b made is the obvious one. The b...I think the point b made is the obvious one. The brothers knew that Yosef might have asked Shimon to describe Binyomin, so they couldn't risk bringing an imposter. Furthermore, who says that they might have brought some random child? Surely they'd need to bring one that looked like a relative, who spoke their language, and had been circumcised. So at best they'd be bringing someone else from their household instead of Binyomin. Surely the newly-penitent brothers wouldn't have done such a thing, nor would their father have allowed it.Joe in Australianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-72076182492302861282010-12-12T02:13:46.824-05:002010-12-12T02:13:46.824-05:00hillel:
my sense is that it is indeed too speculat...hillel:<br />my sense is that it is indeed too speculative to then extrapolate from there to judge Reuven's sincerity. and it is quite possible even Reuven's children would have caved under the pressure of interrogation,<br /><br />b:<br />indeed, that is another good point; an anonymous commenter at Serandez makes the same point. i don't know though that Yehuda was "caught" in terms of Yosef being dead, at least until the point of revelation.<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-32782976042012430452010-12-12T00:08:58.339-05:002010-12-12T00:08:58.339-05:00It doesn't work about them not lying.Look what...It doesn't work about them not lying.Look what yehudah said about yosef being dead.I heard because shimon was a hostage and yosef would confront binyamin with him alone without the brothers.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-39167593731444963212010-12-10T13:19:50.188-05:002010-12-10T13:19:50.188-05:00R' Waxman,
There may be another aspect here. ...R' Waxman,<br />There may be another aspect here. Since the brothers are essentially Mesopotamian and live in Canaan, it seems likely there were enough distinguishing genetic characteristics that they couldn't just "grab a kid off the street" and have him pass as Binyamin. They also needed someone who knew all about life with Yaakov and the family, again, a stranger would not do. Basically, they would have to use someone looking like them with a similar life experience to them who was around Binyamin's age - the most likely candidate would probably be Reuven's children. Perhaps that's (an additional reason) why Yaakov rebuffs Reuven's offer of "et shnei banai tamit" - ouside the obvious defects of the offer, if Reuven was serious about it, he could have offered to pass off one of his kids as Binyamin. The fact that he chose not to do so showed the emptiness of the promise. <br /><br />I know there's four kinds of speculation there (about the age of Reuven's sons, their physical appearance, etc.) - but whaddaya think?<br /><br />Shabbat Shalom,<br />HillelHillelnoreply@blogger.com