tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post3510369466949863532..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Where did Aharon die?joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-56589358566416547582013-07-28T06:44:42.711-04:002013-07-28T06:44:42.711-04:00coronet:
no. thanks, i will try to check it out.
...coronet:<br />no. thanks, i will try to check it out.<br /><br />joe:<br />first, please note how the previous post was focused on whether it works from an academic perspective, as a non-contradictory reading. please don't bring religion into it.<br /><br />but if you are going to bring religion to it and raise this as an objection, then:<br /><br />#1, it is not devar sheker -- it is a way of speaking, in short speech. dibra Torah kilshon benei adam. it is not <b>sheker</b>, in the sense of lying. my point is that both the ancient Israelites or the intended readers will be familiar with the text of the Torah, and so will know that Aharon died at Hor HaHar. In which case they will understand this short mode of speaking, such that it is not a lie.<br /><br />#2, this is an arbitrary and subjective religious value. you think it is misleading and thus a lie, and could not be part of Torah min haShamayim. i think that this is supposed to be an account of Moshe's speech (as Devarim explicitly says), and as such, the Torah would report his speech accurately. Of course there are ideas from Moshe's perspective, rather than from a dry accounting. See what Chazal say about Deut 10:12, "And now, O Israel, what does the Lord, your God, demand of you? Only to fear the Lord, your God, to walk in all His ways and to love Him, and to worship the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul."<br /><br />"The Talmud (Berachos 33b), in reaction to the above pasuk, exclaims: Is fear of Heaven such a small matter?! [The implication of Moshe's wording, "what does Hashem ask of you... only to fear Hashem..." is that this is something simple.] The Sages answer: Yes, with regard to Moshe, it is a small matter."<br /><br />But how could the Torah "lie" and say it a small answer? The answer is...joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-42270987416496667412013-07-28T02:31:12.602-04:002013-07-28T02:31:12.602-04:00"With Aharon's death, and the transition ..."With Aharon's death, and the transition of power to Eleazar being the priority, and the death being specifically in הר ההר not really being relevant. This is then mentioned after the first movement in the chain, and is followed by others in the chain to show the movement continued."<br />That would be fine with a human writer living in the 7th century BC, yet i find this hard to reconcile with the concept of torah min hashamayim. What sort of a God is this, who doesn't care about creating accurate historical recounts of the past? isn't he the one who is supposed to have said "midvar sheker tirchak"?joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-61516380597568573112013-07-28T00:42:07.675-04:002013-07-28T00:42:07.675-04:00Have you seen the footnotes to Devarim 10:6 in R&#...Have you seen the footnotes to Devarim 10:6 in R' Kaplan's The Living Torah?coronetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-17191284083682367962013-07-27T15:16:07.162-04:002013-07-27T15:16:07.162-04:00Hizkuni does cite a Midrash which reconciles this ...Hizkuni does cite a Midrash which reconciles this disrecpancy, but it still leaves room to be clarified. See <a href="http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14034&st=&pgnum=171" rel="nofollow">http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14034&st=&pgnum=171</a>.Reuven Chaim Kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836805247888732019noreply@blogger.com