tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post8866990801837113342..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Interesting Posts and Articles #272joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-13387111896550724822010-07-19T19:43:07.487-04:002010-07-19T19:43:07.487-04:00meir says
"But read it all, where he clarifie...meir says<br />"But read it all, where he clarifies that this is a translation to aid yeshiva students, who already have the "requisite background. In terms of the Artscroll Talmud," and people thinking they know, consider this recent quote from a commenter on this blog, contending that I "denigrated" Artscroll by saying that one who relies on it, exclusively, is not on firm ground to challenge major posekim on pesak:<br /><br /><br /><br />you denigrate arstcroll and mesivta.<br />they have both put a lot of work into it. they have learnt all the gemmoros with all available meforshim and know it better than any rov who tries on his own and usually gets it wrong. So therefore my summary with using them is better than any great posek without them"<br /><br />Thank you for repeating my post. I am not sure if you agree or dont agree with me.<br />But i will say that reading an artscroll gemorro is not enough preparation for a reb chaim. And no mention is made that the chazon ish made glosses on the whole of it. I personally am not a great supporter of those learning reb chaim. it takes a long time which could be better spent. and usually they are far off the mark.<br />the test is usually and that goes for other achronim if you have learnt the sugya well enough that you can 'read' through it without taking too much time then its for you.<br />Perhaps i should make myself clear. there is no substitute for learning meforshim in their original setting.but that is no reading matter, there is a great 'omol' hatora to it. And another thing one has to have what is termed 'yecholes halimud' being able to learn. One has to be able to discern where and what a chidush is. The artscroll is at best a summary, it will not teach you how to learn but if one can already learn it has a lot to offer. One rarely finds mistakes in it and i dont mean print mistakes. and of course considering there are 2500 odd blat to wade through it will get you there quicker. i still contend that those who dont use it and most likely dont look up all or most of the meforshim end up getting it wrong. <br />And even having looked up, who knows if they understand it correctly.<br />the mesifta brings most reb chaim and almost all the meforshim and is very well set out. but i am sorry to say it seems to have been done too quickly and is not really 100 per cent. maybe they will improve in their further editions.<br />but for what it is, it is a monumental work never attempted before.<br />i am well aware that in all yeshivot and kollelim artscroll and mesivto is frowned upon. the soton at work as usual and being tisha b'av i consider this the main churban of today. we dont have a chazon ish who was capable of learning without any meforshim he hardly brings any. but rabbonim and roshai yeshivot seem to think they are his equals without realising how large the gap is.<br />there is a saying i think from the chofets chaim how did they know when the era of tannoim amoroim geonim rishonim ended and the next one began.<br />he says because the last of them was greater than all before him.<br />perhaps one can say this of the chazon ish. There fore today is a new era not achronim anymore. most seforim today are mainly 'likutim' original scholarship doesnt exist anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-41217113478175645832010-07-19T19:42:44.624-04:002010-07-19T19:42:44.624-04:00meir says
"But read it all, where he clarifie...meir says<br />"But read it all, where he clarifies that this is a translation to aid yeshiva students, who already have the "requisite background. In terms of the Artscroll Talmud," and people thinking they know, consider this recent quote from a commenter on this blog, contending that I "denigrated" Artscroll by saying that one who relies on it, exclusively, is not on firm ground to challenge major posekim on pesak:<br /><br /><br /><br />you denigrate arstcroll and mesivta.<br />they have both put a lot of work into it. they have learnt all the gemmoros with all available meforshim and know it better than any rov who tries on his own and usually gets it wrong. So therefore my summary with using them is better than any great posek without them"<br /><br />Thank you for repeating my post. I am not sure if you agree or dont agree with me.<br />But i will say that reading an artscroll gemorro is not enough preparation for a reb chaim. And no mention is made that the chazon ish made glosses on the whole of it. I personally am not a great supporter of those learning reb chaim. it takes a long time which could be better spent. and usually they are far off the mark.<br />the test is usually and that goes for other achronim if you have learnt the sugya well enough that you can 'read' through it without taking too much time then its for you.<br />Perhaps i should make myself clear. there is no substitute for learning meforshim in their original setting.but that is no reading matter, there is a great 'omol' hatora to it. And another thing one has to have what is termed 'yecholes halimud' being able to learn. One has to be able to discern where and what a chidush is. The artscroll is at best a summary, it will not teach you how to learn but if one can already learn it has a lot to offer. One rarely finds mistakes in it and i dont mean print mistakes. and of course considering there are 2500 odd blat to wade through it will get you there quicker. i still contend that those who dont use it and most likely dont look up all or most of the meforshim end up getting it wrong. <br />And even having looked up, who knows if they understand it correctly.<br />the mesifta brings most reb chaim and almost all the meforshim and is very well set out. but i am sorry to say it seems to have been done too quickly and is not really 100 per cent. maybe they will improve in their further editions.<br />but for what it is, it is a monumental work never attempted before.<br />i am well aware that in all yeshivot and kollelim artscroll and mesivto is frowned upon. the soton at work as usual and being tisha b'av i consider this the main churban of today. we dont have a chazon ish who was capable of learning without any meforshim he hardly brings any. but rabbonim and roshai yeshivot seem to think they are his equals without realising how large the gap is.<br />there is a saying i think from the chofets chaim how did they know when the era of tannoim amoroim geonim rishonim ended and the next one began.<br />he says because the last of them was greater than all before him.<br />perhaps one can say this of the chazon ish. There fore today is a new era not achronim anymore. most seforim today are mainly 'likutim' original scholarship doesnt exist anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-86003517578848942292010-07-19T19:22:37.058-04:002010-07-19T19:22:37.058-04:00"When police officers left the site the prote..."When police officers left the site the protestors shouted out “Nazis” and “Zionists”"<br /><br />If that quote doesn't get one in the spirit of Tisha B'av, I'm not sure anything will...<br /><br />Fast well,<br />HillelHillelnoreply@blogger.com