tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post8518657221873434175..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Did They *Really* Find The Well of Miriam?joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-25646270930582837222015-08-03T05:51:22.935-04:002015-08-03T05:51:22.935-04:00Everybody knows kadesh where miriam is buried is s...Everybody knows kadesh where miriam is buried is south of jerusalem. Therefore if kadesh is near by kineret then jerusalem is probably tzfat. In the book of the gates of reincarnations chapter 47 he says that yeshu the christian is buried near ain zaitim. Everybody knows he was buried in jerusalem or near by. It is clear that arizal recognized jerusalem in the galilee. Whats absolutely amazing is that in meron we find two pillars of jacob of bet el still standing. The first pillar of jacobs dream is called the chair of elijah in meron above the shammai tomb. And the second is the shammai tomb which jacob built after he returned to bet el to establish the place of the tabernacle. Shilo.remember when the assyrians took over the north they placed their own people in galil and drove the remaining nation of israel to the south. Comfusing us ever since. Until shimon bar yochai spoke with god at meron and realized the place he was in. Lag bomer is the festival we expect to see moshiach because meron is sinai. Amengeorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00665217058367269184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-4715833854381898632015-06-04T02:55:54.864-04:002015-06-04T02:55:54.864-04:00Miriams well or kadesh is simple gan sholsha. The ...Miriams well or kadesh is simple gan sholsha. The same is beer shevageorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00665217058367269184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-17227762793570610662013-05-08T18:09:22.579-04:002013-05-08T18:09:22.579-04:00I may have commented already, can't remember. ...I may have commented already, can't remember. The Carmel Mt. was ientified by the jews of Tiberias as the mt. above Tiberias (Poriya mt.) and that explains seeing Beer Miriam from Mt. Carmel..."Maon" (not the Biblical one near the yishuv 'Carmel' S. of Hevron) was also a settlement above Tiberias in Talmudical times...Prof. Elchanan Reiner has written widely on this, including on the Tradition of Beer Miriam. <br />Archaeologist Yosi Stepansky<br />stepansky@bezeqint.netYosi Stepanskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16510643565057867634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-60959350026298551222007-07-23T06:07:00.000-04:002007-07-23T06:07:00.000-04:00thanks. I'll check them out.thanks. I'll check them out.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-30540158853006085292007-07-23T01:59:00.000-04:002007-07-23T01:59:00.000-04:00Okay, this post is a bit 'old' but here goes: I've...Okay, this post is a bit 'old' but here goes: <BR/>I've found some more sources. Check out Yerushalmi Kelayim, Chapter 9, Halacha 4, towards the end. There "Yeshimon" is also mentioned, and Yama Shel Tiveria too. <BR/>Then there's the Rach, Rabbeinu Chananel on the Gemara Shabbos 35a, who also mentions "Yama shel Tiveria."<BR/>The Arizal's right on target!!!yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523302947845887661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-80456498847350247462007-07-11T17:13:00.000-04:002007-07-11T17:13:00.000-04:00Thanks for updating your post. I saw Vaykra Rabba ...Thanks for updating your post. I saw Vaykra Rabba 25 "inside" tonight. After the passage you quote is the mention of the mountain, Har HaYeshimon, which, except for the name, is virtually identical with the Gemara in Shabbos 35a. One of the meforshim there [Vayikra Rabba], the Radal [Rav David Luria] mentions the apparent difficulty with the Gemara Shabbos 35a. He says that perhaps in Shabbos, too, the girsa should be "HaYeshimon" & the reason that "Carmel" crept into the Gemara was that the previous passage - immeidately before - refers to the Carmel, & the one who TRANSCRIBED the Gemara carried it over. Very interesting...yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523302947845887661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-64048768488158337992007-07-11T16:33:00.000-04:002007-07-11T16:33:00.000-04:00thanks.I've updated my post to incorporate some of...thanks.<BR/>I've updated my post to incorporate some of this new info.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-27842850551378307122007-07-11T09:17:00.000-04:002007-07-11T09:17:00.000-04:001) If it really is Carmel not Arbel, then the "sea...1) If it really is Carmel not Arbel, then the "sea" has to be the Mediterranean. I live in Haifa. You simply can't see the Kinneret from here. The Kinneret is in a valley, and the mountains of Nazareth are in between.<BR/><BR/>2) I wonder if the phrase "leave the sun" in the midrash hints as to whether the sea in question is to the east or the west?<BR/><BR/>3) Abba Shaul is told who the body parts belong to. But he himself testifies that these unbelievably gigantic body parts exist. That is hard to take literally, not just the identification with Og/Avshalom.<BR/><BR/>4) I didn't know there WAS a Biblical source for Miriam's well, other than the juxtaposition of her death and the demand for water. (Which is problematic for the argument that the well still exists)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-17796404408343233982007-07-11T08:12:00.000-04:002007-07-11T08:12:00.000-04:00The Hebrew link was not Shofar, I think it was Net...The Hebrew link was not Shofar, I think it was Netivot Shalom, but a very interesting piece. I can't remember, tho, where I saw the possibility of the Tanna who mentioned a mountain being the Arbel. That would certainly point all of Chazal & the Arizal in the same direction!yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523302947845887661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-2351613257524385502007-07-11T07:57:00.000-04:002007-07-11T07:57:00.000-04:00But I've got to look at the sources inside. Thanks...But I've got to look at the sources inside. Thanks again.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-61138048737030674512007-07-11T07:55:00.000-04:002007-07-11T07:55:00.000-04:00thanks. I'll update my post sometime later today (...thanks. I'll update my post sometime later today (have to run off to work).<BR/><BR/>Vayikra Rabba and Tanchuma are fairly early midrashim (7th century and Tannaitic, respectively, if I recall correctly). Was the Hebrew link Shofar, because I saw that.<BR/><BR/>The thing is, even the Vayikra Rabba, if 7th century, is post-Talmudic, as mentioned. And it does not really say that it sank in the Galilee, as least not the part explicitly cited. I'll write later.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-78241066807568272462007-07-11T07:33:00.000-04:002007-07-11T07:33:00.000-04:00Hey Josh, if you would've read the post at MY blog...Hey Josh, if you would've read the post at MY blog about Miriam's Well, youd've found this:<BR/><I>According to one source, the Well sank into the Sea of Galilee: "It happened that someone who suffered from boils went down to immerse in the waters in Tiveria; it was an opportune time, and he saw Miriam's Well and washed in it and was healed". (Vayikra Rabba, 25:5). These healing effects are also mentioned [Hebrew link] in the Midrash Tanchuma, Parshas Chukas. Even in our day and age, "some have a tradition to draw water [from a well] Saturday night because Miriam's Well supplies all the wells each Saturday night, and one who does so and drinks will be cured of illness" (Kol Bo, Orach Chaim, 299:10).</I><BR/>The "Hebrew link" on my blog will take you to someone who quotes the Midrash Tanchuma as well.<BR/>I also came across in my research that some appear to have a <I>girsa</I> that it wasn't Mount Carmel but rather Mount ARBEL, which is well-known to be just outside Tiveria and quite close to the Kinneret, which indeed is referred to as "Yam" already in the Chumash.yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523302947845887661noreply@blogger.com