tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post6758481901201440334..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Why I Oppose Tu BiShvat Sedersjoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-91906062218287454062007-02-04T16:34:00.000-05:002007-02-04T16:34:00.000-05:00agreed, especially the part about April 15th and c...agreed, especially the part about April 15th and created ritual. now that Tu bishvat is over, perhaps I'll post more about it. but you presented this very well. thanks.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-80415045926428582432007-02-04T14:15:00.000-05:002007-02-04T14:15:00.000-05:00Even according to Peri Etz Hadar, which I have (it...Even according to Peri Etz Hadar, which I have (it's a nice little book you can pick up in Judaica shops; it's also a few pages of squinchy Rashi print in the Hemdat Yamim which can be found on www.seforimonline.org), it's not Lurianic. The author states right out that the Rav ZLH"H (by which I assume he means the AriZal) never did this ritual, but that he does it and encourages his friends to do so as well. So while the text may be "Lurianic", it's not found in Kisvei Arizal, and pseudepigraphy is hardly unknown in Kabbalah (viz. the Zohar itself, which is at least in part from the 13th century).<br /><br />As far as I can tell, then, it originates with (Sabbatean) Hemdat Yamim; it's a made-up service unconnected to the AriZal; and really, folks, Tu Bishvat is the April 15th of the trees.<br /><br />If it's all about created ritual, and we Ashkenazim don't speak in Kabbalistic idiom since the early 19th century, why bother? And if we do bother, why not just use the made-up Reform Gates of Fruit service (or whatever it's called) - it has just as much "legitimacy" as Pri Etz Hadar.thanbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06197564008203120013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-67258418038699288872007-01-31T08:12:00.000-05:002007-01-31T08:12:00.000-05:00:)
it's more like the icing on the cake. perhaps ...:)<br /><br />it's more like the icing on the cake. perhaps more on what slightly bothers me about them in another post.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-2869541401304855532007-01-30T23:57:00.000-05:002007-01-30T23:57:00.000-05:00me neither.me neither.the chocolate doctor מרת שאקאלאדhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17844956689807749316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-71533960522687892202007-01-30T22:07:00.000-05:002007-01-30T22:07:00.000-05:00I don't follow. If the text is true Lurianic kabb...I don't follow. If the text is true Lurianic kabbalah, why should the fact that the Sabbateans embraced the practice influence us? It sounds like the tendency in some circles to de-emphasize the study of dikduk and nach because of the maskilic attraction towards these areas.Josh M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14414532577328945154noreply@blogger.com