tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post6515155950038865894..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: How old was Dinah when Shechem abducted her?joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-21759166703339521602009-12-03T15:53:13.099-05:002009-12-03T15:53:13.099-05:00indeed, though you and i probably share Rav Schwab...indeed, though you and i probably share Rav Schwab's moral compass in this, where meforshim such as Gur Aryeh and Rashi might not. or at least he sees fit to apply his moral compass to Biblical figures.<br /><br />in terms of the halacha seeing three as the age of consummation, I am not so sure about that. see what I wrote in a comment on <a href="http://parsha.blogspot.com/2006/11/parshat-chayyei-sarah-thre_116362670621037126.html" rel="nofollow">this earlier parshablog post</a>, regarding 3-year old Rivkah.<br /><br />the *halacha* is that it is assur for a father to marry off a daughter until she is a naarah (of 12) and says "I wish to marry Ploni". and kiddushin via bia is not allowed because of pritzus. and intercourse outside of marriage is also forbidden. so how could a 3-year old engage in intercourse permissibly.<br /><br />I don't know that the halacha sees 3 as the age of consummation, either, in terms of advisable conduct. rather, for some technical reason, the halacha regards intercourse done with a female who is over 3 years of age to be considered intercourse.(and for someone younger, though it is not being *advised*) it would not technically be reckoned as intercourse. and this can have halachic ramifications in terms of whether kiddushin can be chal, and so on.<br /><br />in terms of rivkah, true, according to that famous midrash. unless they waited 10 years before trying.<br /><br />but maybe this was not on the radar screen on meforshim like Rashi, and indeed this shows an interesting shift...<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-22936848403479896402009-12-03T12:49:43.571-05:002009-12-03T12:49:43.571-05:00Assuming that the gist of R. Schwab's words ar...Assuming that the gist of R. Schwab's words are really conveyed in that, I think it's unreal. Chamor is a disgusting pervert for desiring an innocent girl who was younger than 7. Yet one midrash sees Rivka as 3 when Yitzchak married her. The halacha sees 3 as the age of consummation.Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.com