tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post5729669176784465260..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Are Bet El and Luz really the same place?joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-35259585680310967002009-11-30T23:17:09.420-05:002009-11-30T23:17:09.420-05:00sorry, nothing i can put together. certainly there...sorry, nothing i can put together. certainly there is basis for some elements there, such as the makom being har hamoriah...<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-21663050411487207542009-11-30T16:46:58.838-05:002009-11-30T16:46:58.838-05:00I had a thought about this on Shabbat. See what y...I had a thought about this on Shabbat. See what you think. It is my understanding that Yaakov fell asleep on Har Habayit with his head resting on the Even Hashtiya. This was known as both Beit El, since it was where the Beit Hamikdash would eventually be built and also as Luz, which is the bone from which the entire body will be rebuilt in time to come, because the whole world was created from this stone (the even hashtiya). Settlements which developed in close proximity, much like the Beit El of today, took these commonly known names. Are there any sources for such an idea?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-40077298266018867232009-11-30T16:01:32.423-05:002009-11-30T16:01:32.423-05:00thanks. indeed, that gemara is likely tied up with...thanks. indeed, that gemara is likely tied up with the dual Luz. because it is based on the pasuk in Shofetim.<br /><br />in shofetim, they conquered Luz, and renamed it Bet El. they did this by promising safety to this one Luzite (Luz-er?). and he built another city in the area of the Chivi. and that rebuilt city is the one which no one can conquer.<br /><br />so there was certainly this original Luz, which was Bet El, and this second Luz, established by this survivor of the first Luz.<br /><br />i don't know if that is the same as the two Luzes you heard of as a kid. if not, then almost certainly. if it is, I am not sure. this could conceivably answer it, assuming that second Luz is in the right spot for a border town.<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-52174035365539338372009-11-30T15:32:03.296-05:002009-11-30T15:32:03.296-05:00You know what the gemara says about Luz. Also see...You know what <a href="http://e-daf.com/index.asp?ID=2445&size=1" rel="nofollow">the gemara says</a> about Luz. Also see Rashi there.<br /><br />As a kid, I remember hearing that there were 2 cities called Luz - that would also answer the question - but I don't remember the source for it.yaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08179304707239865515noreply@blogger.com