tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post4730296722860672235..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Did delusional tractor(one) driver Nir ben Artzi see the earthquake in Japan as it was happening?joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-70962456040176142432011-03-23T18:15:22.847-04:002011-03-23T18:15:22.847-04:00Thanks.
I am always amazed that people follow such...Thanks.<br />I am always amazed that people follow such guys.<br />Here in Canada I don't think anybody would run to him but who knows?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-15066701526637678552011-03-23T16:23:47.651-04:002011-03-23T16:23:47.651-04:00David:
It is in the queue of posts to come, but ju...David:<br />It is in the queue of posts to come, but just for you, I'll bring some text forth.<br /><br />He operates on both the micro and macro scale. On the micro scale, he certainly has damaged people. Here are some examples:<br /><br /><i>"Sometimes he tells people not to obey the doctors, to perform surgery or to avoid them causing damage," including "ordered to stop giving the child drugs, which caused him great harm."</i><br /><br />Also,<br /><i>"In those years, accompanied Ben Artzi quite a few allegations that he messed up marriages with his observations and advice to couples, to the extent of even open a divorce case. Rav Aviner wrote: "To those women who came to get advice, he sometimes emphasized with authority the faults in their husbands as a result, produced dislike and distance in the relationship between the couple. And: "He announced to peacefully-living-together couples that they do not match from heaven and thus disturbed their shalom bayis." Furthermore, he "made matches including very young girls. And an older single girl, he informed that according to the root of her soul she can not get married."</i><br /><br />That is on the micro scale. On the macro-scale, with his predictions of world events, certainly he can do harm. He is telling people to sell their homes, quit their jobs, and rush to Eretz Yisrael because the end is nigh! And while aliyah is one of the mitzvos in the Torah, and is indeed a great mitzvah, it is not for everyone in every situation. Some jobs (or children with specific chinuch needs) do not transfer well to Israel, and if someone frantically quits his job, sells his home, and rushes to Israel, it could be devastating financially, not to mention shalom-bayis wise.<br /><br />It is also harmful psychologically, as I can point to at least two people, commenters at Shirat Devorah, who are literally crazy with worry over the state of the world, in part, it seems, due to Ben Artzi's predictions.<br /><br />He has followers, in some community in Israel. I wonder how many people are followers of his predictions on the Internet.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-67142755952564269502011-03-23T16:12:54.183-04:002011-03-23T16:12:54.183-04:00I never heard of this person, but does he damage a...I never heard of this person, but does he damage anybody with his predictions.<br />There are quite a few people that are in the predictions business . My question, did someone lose money because of it, and who actually believes him?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-7955794802324107012011-03-22T15:19:21.037-04:002011-03-22T15:19:21.037-04:00R' Josh,
Thank you for continuing your series...R' Josh,<br /><br />Thank you for continuing your series on exposing the charlatan who is trying to impress the פתיים among us as being a prophet. <br /><br />חזק ואמץmoshenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-27175602749958894872011-03-22T11:58:30.600-04:002011-03-22T11:58:30.600-04:00yes, it is getting difficult to read your comments...yes, it is getting difficult to read your comments.....mr. pseudonymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-28193217601889286432011-03-22T08:31:52.539-04:002011-03-22T08:31:52.539-04:00thanks.
btw, i would appreciate it if you would ch...thanks.<br />btw, i would appreciate it if you would choose a pseudonym. it is difficult to sort out who is saying what when everyone chooses Anonymous.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-70412087296078221332011-03-22T08:27:17.487-04:002011-03-22T08:27:17.487-04:00Thank you for taking the time to do some research ...Thank you for taking the time to do some research on this topic. I also see some vagueness in his predictions, and hence we should be aware. I believe you have a healthy skepticism which can help us to discern the real from the phony. Looking for the redeemer is lshem shamayim. There can be a few shakranim who steal the people's blind faith and they should be looked at by those with some sechel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-51193004314219899402011-03-22T07:20:34.006-04:002011-03-22T07:20:34.006-04:00"---Anonymous "Z""
are you th..."---Anonymous "Z""<br /><br />are you the same verbally abusive Anonymous I moderated out above? does it take THAT much creativity to come up with a more meaningful name than Anonymous? meanwhile, where it says "choose an identity", you can select Name / URL.<br /><br />yes, *sometimes* it is associated with Amalek. but pretty straightforwardly, that is that something comes from chance rather than from Hashem. (but see many Rishonim, including Rambam, who argue with the Baal HaTanya -- actually, with certain Muslim philosophers -- and say that there is something called hashgacha klalit. surely you are not calling Rambam 'Amalek'.) that is not relevant here, IMHO. the question is whether *Nir ben Artzi* predicted this with foreknowledge, not Hashem.<br /><br />do you really think it is a trait of Amalek to require more than anecdotal evidence, for example, before approving some drug? do you think that *Chazal*, when approving a kemeya to be carried on Shabbos, requiring that it be written by an expert who had written three different amulets for three different persons, and each had worked, were Amalek?! they are trying to work against the possibility of random chance! do you think that Chazal, when requiring that we test a hirkin berosho, someone mute who merely nods, with questions with yes and no answers, before accepting a get, in order to protect against random chance matchups, were Amalek?!<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-45737010852426391902011-03-22T07:10:29.056-04:002011-03-22T07:10:29.056-04:00no, you 'predicted' that i would have to h...no, you 'predicted' that i would have to have the last word.<br /><br />i did not post your comment because it was (a) Anonymous; (b) abusive; (c) ignorant.<br /><br />in the same amount of time it took to write "BTW: I am a different 'anonymous' than the one above" you could have chosen a pseudonym, as I have asked repeatedly.<br /><br />in calling me "delusional", you just resort to a stupid insult. 'delusional' works for someone making psychic predictions. if you think they are not psychic, then the alternative is delusional. as I explained to quarkcherry above, 'delusional' does not apply to analysis and citation and facts.<br /><br />in *making up* facts about my history in order to be insulting, that is what you are doing, *lying* by making up facts.<br /><br />meanwhile, you DID miss my point in calling him tractor driver, which I developed at length in the above-linked post.<br /><br />if you want to engage in discussion of the POINTS I raised in this or other posts, you are welcome to. but ultimately, I do run this blog, and I will choose to moderate out verbally abusive, stupid, anonymous comments.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-27249873345680440592011-03-22T04:36:39.316-04:002011-03-22T04:36:39.316-04:00The words "coincidence, chance, and random&qu...The words "coincidence, chance, and random" are associated with Amalek. <a href="http://www.aish.com/h/pur/t/48944731.html" rel="nofollow">Check it out</a>.<br /><br />Just sayin'...<br /><br />PS: Are you honest enough to post this comment? Guess we'll see.<br /><br />---Anonymous "Z"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-47464692796429708322011-03-21T22:47:49.355-04:002011-03-21T22:47:49.355-04:00i figured that you would be afraid to post my comm...i figured that you would be afraid to post my comments. I predicted it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-8678776447108975202011-03-21T22:00:18.563-04:002011-03-21T22:00:18.563-04:00for those who don't understand the point about...for those who don't understand the point about "tractor driver", please see and actually take the time to read and understand <a href="http://parsha.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-rabbi-akiva-differs-from-delusional.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>. this is not a "job in his past". it is his basis for claiming we should listen to him -- that he was a psychic tractor driver.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-61640512231312664732011-03-21T16:21:54.455-04:002011-03-21T16:21:54.455-04:00"you could be delusional and be trying to det..."you could be delusional and be trying to detract from Emet..."<br /><br />i am not making prophecies and predictions. i am analyzing HIS prophecies, predictions and / or claims, and discussing it in a rational manner. for each of my points, I bring PROOF. For example, he claims that it happened at 7:45. Am I "delusional" in this claim. I cite him. Go to his website (linked) and see for yourself! I claim that it actually happened at 7:46. Am I "delusional"? Go to Wikipedia and see for yourself! I claim that he claims, every week, that there will be an earthquake. Am I 'delusional'? I provided links to translations from someone who thinks highly of him, Tomer Devorah. Follow the links and see for yourself.<br /><br />I see that you are used to evaluating things not based on your sechel but on the prestige of the person making the claim.<br /><br />Your last sentence is an ad hominem. I already explained, several times, why I am trying to explain to people not to foolishly follow this navi sheker.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-74189707860268535912011-03-21T16:17:27.724-04:002011-03-21T16:17:27.724-04:00I have to correct you its not MY answer it is THE ...I have to correct you its not MY answer it is THE ANSWERAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-84582533220890690572011-03-21T15:56:01.508-04:002011-03-21T15:56:01.508-04:00Why should people listen to you and what you have ...Why should people listen to you and what you have to say? You could be delusional and be trying to detract from Emet. What is your motivation? Are you looking to make a name for yourself piggy backing on this Rabbi? Fame by proxy? <br /><br />And another thing - in this day and age, people looking to find machloket need to be carefully examined as to what their motives really are.quarkcherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14441816874753872057noreply@blogger.com