tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post4485817789406019043..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Whiskey Tango Foxtrotjoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-34720720436287781432010-05-09T09:42:35.769-04:002010-05-09T09:42:35.769-04:00When someone forwarded this to me I noticed that t...When someone forwarded this to me I noticed that they focused on "American companies". Of all the US whiskey producers there is only one large company that is privately owned. It so happens that the family name is "Shapira". However, none of that companies products are listed! This could be the company the Star K claims sells it's chametz.Mendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218770969370736300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-59765854760497785682010-05-09T09:19:33.937-04:002010-05-09T09:19:33.937-04:00from subsequent discussions, the answer may be:
1...from subsequent discussions, the answer may be:<br /><br />1) despite the cagey language, the listed products are from a company *known* to be from a Jewishly owned company. why they wrote as they did, I don't know.<br /><br />2) apparently, Shulchan Aruch HaRav quotes Magen Avraham, Bach, Rema that even safek chametz sheavar alav hapesach may not be consumed, though benefit may be derived from it. i'll have to see this inside.<br /><br />if the latter, then at the least it is a legitimate chumra.<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-85845584535006291842010-05-09T09:08:19.908-04:002010-05-09T09:08:19.908-04:00i wish he would explain, then. it may be that the ...i wish he would explain, then. it may be that the metzius is different.<br /><br />but he writes:<br />"Since many liquor products are aged for many years before they are sold to the public, <b>it cannot be assumed that these beverages are acceptable for kosher use</b> even if they are purchased a long time before or after Pesach."<br /><br />that strongly implies to me that he means not kosher.<br /><br />"but rather, he recommends that Kashrut agencies should avoid them in order to keep a higher standard of Kashrut."<br />but stricter standards are not, by definition, always higher standards. if it is justified based on a daas yachid that we are being choshesh for, fine. but here, it is absolutely mutar mideoraysa, lechol hadayos. and it is absolutely mutar miderabbanan, lechol hadeiyos. if i would later discover that it was actually owned by a Jewish person who had not sold it over Pesach, I would not feel the slightest guilt. it is not instrinsically assur, and the same rabbanan who imposed the fine under certain conditions also specified here that it is entirely acceptable. we are not karaites.<br /><br />and even if it is a legitimate chumra, who says that such a stringency so much past the actual halacha should be imposed upon the tzibur via the kashrus organizations?<br /><br />but i see what you are saying. perhaps this will be clarified in the coming weeks.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-70427210414642158742010-05-09T08:42:43.129-04:002010-05-09T08:42:43.129-04:00On the other hand, Rabbi Fishbane from AKO is also...On the other hand, Rabbi Fishbane from AKO is also the Kashrut director of the cRc and knows what he's talking about. I'm guessing he may have asked Rav G. D. Schwartz about this before publishing this notice.<br /><br />He's also not stating that they're not Kosher - but rather, he recommends that Kashrut agencies should avoid them in order to keep a higher standard of Kashrut.<br /><br /><i>[edited by siteowner -- I'll explain why in an email]</i>yaakhttp://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-38903047065619334252010-05-09T01:01:09.099-04:002010-05-09T01:01:09.099-04:00YOu are correct. Indeed no one is doing anyone a f...YOu are correct. Indeed no one is doing anyone a favor by checking to find Jewish owned compaies, and there are multiple sfeikos with every purchase (a case I made abundantly clear here: http://www.torahlab.org/doitright/the_ultimate_guide_to_post_pesach_shopping/).Tzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362895893167544658noreply@blogger.com