tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post4307622602387651904..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Fighting God's *Moral* Battles, and Taking Rambam Metaphoricallyjoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-6202817739495431142008-01-31T14:57:00.000-05:002008-01-31T14:57:00.000-05:00see here for claims to the contrary:"Many promine...see <A HREF="http://moshiachtalk.tripod.com/tolany.html" REL="nofollow">here </A> for claims to the contrary:<BR/><BR/>"Many prominent Lubavitcher rabbis go further, and claim that the Rebbe has fulfilled even the criteria for Moshiach be-vadai, since "he has returned the Jews to their land" (the recent wave of Russian aliyah) and "has built the Beis HaMikdosh in its place" (the renovation of the building at 770 Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn, referred to by the Rebbe as Beis Chayyeinu).<BR/><BR/>Moreover, many insist (over 150 rabbis in a "psak din") that in any event we must regard the Rebbe as Moshiach be-vadai, since he himself prophesied the following facts (among others): that the process of refining the world for Moshiach, the so-called "avodas ha-berurim," has already been completed, that Moshiach has already arrived, and that we are already living in the age of the redemption [zman geulaseinu]. (That the Rebbe was a bona fide navi, a prophet in the most literal sense of the term, is beyond question to the vast majority of Lubavitchers.)"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=SvSI2na5LtoC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=vadai+moshiach&source=web&ots=0SxZ8QQz5C&sig=gxIcOw6Jmrkvwwt1Wrsf4sj92Bk" REL="nofollow">Here </A>as well.<BR/><BR/>And <A HREF="http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?showtopic=40899" REL="nofollow">here</A>:<BR/>"That isn't true. Many of the meshichist rabbis invoke the Rambam's description of how we will identify moshiach when he comes, and refer to "wars" he's fought and other signs that he is moshiach vadai. In their books they also refer to the current age as a "new epoch". Phrases like "living in the age of moshiach" are the titles of many of their articles and books."joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-10208958506174439802008-01-31T14:36:00.000-05:002008-01-31T14:36:00.000-05:00AFAIK, even messianists do not claim the Rebbe to ...AFAIK, even messianists do not claim the Rebbe to be vadai moshiach, only bechezkas moshiach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com