tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post3948438201935030705..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Aruch HaShulchan on Getting Drunk on Purimjoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-6839133382743936692010-02-23T11:36:41.679-05:002010-02-23T11:36:41.679-05:00As always, thanks for a very interesting and thoug...As always, thanks for a very interesting and thoughtful post. I particularly liked your note on the Hebrew Gematria that "Cursed be Haman" and "Blessed be Mordechai" both have the same Gematria :-)Gematria Scholarhttp://hebrewgematria.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-28062996021132255002010-02-19T14:39:49.997-05:002010-02-19T14:39:49.997-05:00this would then be "yoteir milimudo". bu...this would then be "yoteir milimudo". but those people who drink so much as to get alcohol poisoning, because unless they do so, they have the slightest thought and can literally tell the difference, are not understanding the statement of Chazal as an idiom or guzma. so it is important in that respect.<br /><br />the reason, to my mind, has more to do with the reasoning (though not the absolute position) of Rabbenu Ephraim, combined with changing circumstance. our situation has become, alas, that of Rabba and Rabbi Zera, and different metziut leads to different halachic applications. more on that later, but this hint is likely enough.<br /><br />there is also balashon's point.<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-8704185242258587982010-02-19T13:29:21.772-05:002010-02-19T13:29:21.772-05:00"they meant fairly drunk"
That's wh..."they meant fairly drunk"<br /><br />That's what I thought all along. Point being, that the reason our practice should differ is indeed another issue, although some wouldn't listen unless we can twist halachah to fit it.Yosef Greenberghttp://blog.yachdus.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-37329883433374072412010-02-19T07:24:41.797-05:002010-02-19T07:24:41.797-05:00i really do believe it to be peshat, and thought s...i really do believe it to be peshat, and thought so years ago. it sounds like a clever turn of phrase. and it answers the text-internal question of why not say that it is like Lot's drunkenness, a text-internal question. and i think that rambam regarded it the same, which answers aruch hashulchan's questions on rambam as well.<br /><br />on the other hand, i do think that with their poetic exaggeration, they *did* mean pretty soused. that is the point of an exaggeration. and the story which follows, in which rabbi zera is killed in drunken stupor, suggests (to me) that they meant fairly drunk. why our present practice should differ (and i think it should) is another issue. <br /><br />but i'm spoiling the next post!<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-36061974428713581652010-02-19T01:48:53.272-05:002010-02-19T01:48:53.272-05:00Do you really believe this to be the pshat? Or is ...Do you really believe this to be the pshat? Or is some of the basis built around you're own belief on what is right to do?<br /><br />I find agendas to spin halachos into our modern sensibilities to be off-putting.Yosef Greenberghttp://blog.yachdus.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-88370635015727935652010-02-18T22:47:56.927-05:002010-02-18T22:47:56.927-05:00well, as i'll say in the next post in this ser...well, as i'll say in the next post in this series, guzma / cute idiom, and nothing more...<br /><br />obviously, many of the positions above were trying to answer it. and i've heard some deep pnimiyus answers to it. but i would maintain what i maintained in the first paragraph of this comment.<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-56710223133498960392010-02-18T22:11:08.510-05:002010-02-18T22:11:08.510-05:00One thing I'm not yet clear on is what "a...One thing I'm not yet clear on is what "ad de-lo yada" is hinting at in the first place. I understand all the general idea that the miracles of Purim are hidden, thus we shouldn't know the difference between...; but what is the true meaning/essence of ad d'lo yada?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com