tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post2061103369282914094..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Surely you're choking!joshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-67619580258638973572010-10-27T02:55:37.096-04:002010-10-27T02:55:37.096-04:00I've heard people recommend lifting one’s arms...I've heard people recommend lifting one’s arms when coughing if there is something stuck in one’s throat. I tried it once when I was alone, and it seemed to have helped (but who knows if it really did or just seemed to). I don't know the medical reasoning behind lifting one’s arms.<br /><br />Your point about the guttural pronunciations of the words is very interesting. Too bad Chazal didn't realize that our pronunciations would change over the centuries, or they may have written a caveat.Michapesetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-67007896880532577422009-12-30T12:26:22.775-05:002009-12-30T12:26:22.775-05:00according to a Teach Yourself Arabic i tried using...according to a Teach Yourself Arabic i tried using once, ‘ayin is produced with some of the same muscles you use to regurgitate.Steg (dos iz nit der šteg)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07694556690190505030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-58225035819630829552009-12-30T12:25:48.077-05:002009-12-30T12:25:48.077-05:00barukh shekivanti, i came up with the same pharyng...<i>barukh shekivanti</i>, i came up with the same pharyngeal consonant theory when i first heard about this remedy.Steg (dos iz nit der šteg)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07694556690190505030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-63171984433669605742009-12-29T18:37:11.563-05:002009-12-29T18:37:11.563-05:00It's important to distinguish between blocking...It's important to distinguish between blocking and non-blocking airway events, as Akiva alluded to.<br /><br />If the airway isn't blocked then the patient will likely be able to clear it him/herself, and your suggestion that the gutturals might help is reasonable - especially since this was originally an <b>oral</b> tradition that would probably have pronounced the gutturals with emphasis ("HHad, HHad, naHHit ...")<br /><br />The Heimlich maneuver is actually somewhat controversial, and it isn't taught in Australia. Here's a <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/stories/2009/2634253.htm" rel="nofollow">link</a> to a transcript of a talk with Dr Heimlich's son (who may have issues of his own) that explains how it can cause injury and isn't very effective.Joe in Australianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1701208239019653462009-12-29T12:25:27.348-05:002009-12-29T12:25:27.348-05:00:)
i'm pretty sure my rational linguistic exp...:)<br /><br />i'm pretty sure my rational linguistic explanation is a chiddush, in which case most if not all learned the gemara otherwise. even though the more i think about it, the better i like the idea of it as an Amoraic Heimlich, and that it isn't a lachash for this reason.<br /><br />who said it was tried and tested, though? the gemara, or rav belsky? i have a teretz for either one. for the gemara, indeed it should work. for rav belsky, besides the explanations i gave above, this was not a double-blind controlled study.<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-89375136502355357992009-12-29T11:13:38.660-05:002009-12-29T11:13:38.660-05:00Josh: try it and see.
(just joking...)
They said ...Josh: try it and see.<br />(just joking...)<br /><br />They said it was tried and tested. They would not say that if it didn't work.Devorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793434651294780439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-17603101574031568172009-12-29T10:54:34.161-05:002009-12-29T10:54:34.161-05:00For a rav to recommend this for a non-bone choking...For a rav to recommend this for a non-bone choking incident over a Heimlich maneuver is literally a sakana nafashos.<br /><br />In the case of a bone we have a non-airway-blocking painful event - which indeed can be life threatening but not from asphyxiation. Your thought that a series of Teymani style deep gutturals may have a very positive throat clearing affect seems a reasonable possibility.<br /><br />Turning the whole thing around to be performed by someone else certainly moves it to the complete non-rational approach - which seems at direct odds with the Gemora.<br /><br />I simply don't understand.Akivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13042484533217272945noreply@blogger.com