tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post115392248360231298..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Why I Support Talking In Shuljoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1159895051124302022006-10-03T13:04:00.000-04:002006-10-03T13:04:00.000-04:00thanks for the tip!(I still owe dafnotes a linkto....thanks for the tip!<BR/>(I still owe dafnotes a linkto.)<BR/><BR/>in fact, I discuss this issue in a lot greater detail in a subsequent post: <A HREF="http://parsha.blogspot.com/2006/08/talking-between-yishtabach-and-yotzer_04.html" REL="nofollow">Talking Between Yishtabach and Yotzer Or: The Development of an Erroneous Prohibition</A>,<BR/>and I mention there that one source actually refers to it as midrash, though I conclude it is likely Yerushalmi. I also talk about how this imaginary Yerushalmi comes about.<BR/><BR/>Kol Tuv!joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06958375916391742462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1159394257350775362006-09-27T17:57:00.000-04:002006-09-27T17:57:00.000-04:00indeed.and there is time for that as well. i don't...indeed.<BR/>and there is time for that as well. i don't think that, for example, talking between aliyot, precludes someone from focusing on davening.<BR/>and I don't really have anything against shuls that make that choice. just that one should know what is and what is a matter of opinion halachically, and that there are different (acceptable) strokes for different folks.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06958375916391742462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1159388787682315332006-09-27T16:26:00.000-04:002006-09-27T16:26:00.000-04:00Very interesting article. However, wouldn't it be ...Very interesting article. However, wouldn't it be a nice place - for G-d, if one were to focus on the davening instead of focusing on the person next to him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1154318299891090222006-07-30T23:58:00.000-04:002006-07-30T23:58:00.000-04:00"It is interesting that Rif states between Baruch ..."It is interesting that Rif states between Baruch sheAmar and Shemoneh Esrei. What about after Yishtabach?"<BR/> Perhaps the R"IF did not have yishtabach.Eliyahuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15401446366365747839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1154318161499788422006-07-30T23:56:00.000-04:002006-07-30T23:56:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Eliyahuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15401446366365747839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1154010396528858742006-07-27T10:26:00.000-04:002006-07-27T10:26:00.000-04:00Jewish Blogmeister:I should add that even if they ...Jewish Blogmeister:<BR/><BR/>I should add that even if they do extend their talking divrei Torah into actual leining, there is not universal agreement among authorities that there is any violation.<BR/><BR/>Based on different harmonizations of the gemara in Sota 39a that states that it is forbidden to speak even beDvar halacha and the gemara in Berachot 8 that states that Rav Sheshet would turn away (during leining) and learn, saying "they do theirs and we do ours," different things may be permitted. <BR/>(see Tosafot in Sota.)<BR/><BR/>One opinion brought down as a yesh omrim in Shulchan Aruch is that it is permitted so long as there are 10 people paying attention to the leining.joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06958375916391742462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1153943896660047472006-07-26T15:58:00.000-04:002006-07-26T15:58:00.000-04:00Isaac:thanks!Jewish Blogmeister:I agree, and that ...Isaac:<BR/>thanks!<BR/><BR/>Jewish Blogmeister:<BR/>I agree, and that is an issue which should be addressed just as it is in shuls where they disallow all talking and still people talk during aliyot.<BR/><BR/>and there are different ways of addressing it. the one I imagine would work best is to replace a few weeks of the Rabbi's speech with learning these topics inside, with source sheet handouts, such that people see exactly why one is OK and the other is not. (and since they see there is room to breathe, they are less likely to dismiss it all as unreachable.) when people get hands on experience with a topic, they are more likely to be willing to apply it.<BR/><BR/>in my shul the baal koreh is really quick - he lains it just as fast as one can process what one hears - which is also less likely to encourage people to tune out and then talk. (also, people know the next bein gavra legavra is coming relatively soon.)joshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06958375916391742462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1153939283347711232006-07-26T14:41:00.000-04:002006-07-26T14:41:00.000-04:00Yiyasher Kochacha!As threatened, I put a link to t...Yiyasher Kochacha!<BR/><BR/>As threatened, I put a link to this post in <A HREF="http://mosi.blog-city.com/tacharishun.htm" REL="nofollow">my post</A>.Isaac Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02233147336865587233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1153928362805456032006-07-26T11:39:00.000-04:002006-07-26T11:39:00.000-04:00some shuls allow talking between aliyos which is f...some shuls allow talking between aliyos which is fine. The problem arises when people continue to talk even after they start layining.AShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05802355878284709939noreply@blogger.com