tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post110659915094970899..comments2024-03-05T21:22:43.426-05:00Comments on parshablog: Yerushalmi Gittin #1: Jewish Geographyjoshwaxmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03516171362038454070noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-62493418804653022002009-01-13T07:53:00.000-05:002009-01-13T07:53:00.000-05:00yes, that is a good, and famous explanation for "m...yes, that is a good, and famous explanation for "mitzafon tipatach haraa." But what about the reference to kol mishpechot tzafon?<BR/><BR/>KT,<BR/>Joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-5390676505368072392009-01-12T13:02:00.000-05:002009-01-12T13:02:00.000-05:00Since Arabia was barely passable, the trip from Is...Since Arabia was barely passable, the trip from Israel to Bavel would require going North East. Therefore, it's very meaningful to speak of the line somewhere at Israel's north. It's splitting an arc, not land on the globe.<BR/><BR/>-michamichahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13610506439687098313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-79126622234354954232009-01-12T06:28:00.000-05:002009-01-12T06:28:00.000-05:00I posted the above at 1 in the morning, so please ...I posted the above at 1 in the morning, so please forgive any errors.<BR/><BR/>in terms of #6, I am not sure I was talking of rotating in the correct direction, but I think it conveyed the point.<BR/><BR/>in terms of #5, if the country extends higher (or perhaps even covers different ground), and especially if the capital were higher, one might be justified in calling the source of the troops North. Scratch that point about Sura and Pumbedita.<BR/><BR/>KT,<BR/>Joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-79070301168984975842009-01-12T01:01:00.000-05:002009-01-12T01:01:00.000-05:00it has been quite a while since I posted this, so ...it has been quite a while since I posted this, so forgive me if I err when jumping back into old territory.<BR/><BR/>in terms of #6, why "must be"??<BR/>east can be taken as the opposite direction of west. take a page and right N S E W on it on the appropriate sides. Now rotate it. East will dip down while west will dip up. (yes, I know rising vs. setting, which will cause both to dip to the south, but that is not likely (or at least not necessarily) how people made compass directions. rather, find some established point, and then take right angles from there.)<BR/><BR/>in terms of #5, if we can make the capital city be to the north, then the *pasuk* in Yirmeyah can be made to refer to the North. And besides, the reference is to *ancient* Babylon, that these folks are talking about, and it is that which they are placing higher up. Did that include Sura and Pumpedita in Biblical times? Maybe. I did not bother to research it at all. The claim is that it should be placed higher up. But even if so, see point one.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to argue. And maybe you will be right. I am giving these, after all, as suggestions alongside several other suggestions. But perhaps such absolutes in dismissing them are not in order.<BR/><BR/>KT,<BR/>Joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-55603208576679473132009-01-12T00:42:00.000-05:002009-01-12T00:42:00.000-05:00#5: I don't see this at all. Bavel, in this conte...#5: I don't see this at all. Bavel, in this context, is not just Nimrod's city, but the kingdom of Bavel, which is southern Iraq. The three yeshivot of Bavel were Sura, Pumbedita, and Nehardea. Wikipedia has <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura_(city)" REL="nofollow">Sura</A> at 31° 53&min; N, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumbedita" REL="nofollow">Pumbedita</A> at 33° 21&min; N, and doesn't give a latitude for <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehardea" REL="nofollow">Nehardea</A>. These are not significantly farther north than Yerushalayim, whose latitude the <A HREF="http://mechon-mamre.org/i/3811.htm#17" REL="nofollow">the Rambam</A> gives as approximately 32° N.<BR/><BR/>#6. This method doesn't work, because if "mizrach" is not east but a direction slightly south of east, as you suggest, then "maarav" must also be the same number of degrees <I>south</I> of west, rather than north of west as you would have it.Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5589564.post-1137965599010132842006-01-22T16:33:00.000-05:002006-01-22T16:33:00.000-05:00As I wandered the internet today looking for Histo...As I wandered the internet today looking for History blogs I came across yours. You have done a good job. I have a website http://www.BibleFamilyTree.com that may also expand your information about The Kingdoms of Israel...<BR/><BR/>Be Blessed,<BR/> <A HREF="http://www.BibleFamilyTree.com" REL="nofollow">The Kingdoms of Israel</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com